Pope Francis Signals Possible Openness To Just About Anything At This Point

March 10, 2017 by  
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Pope Francis has said that he is open to the possibility of permitting basically anything to address the serious issues facing the Church, unless that thing is not in line with what he thinks.

During an interview with the German newspaper Die Zeit, Pope Francis said that traditions and things that date back to times before his election to the papacy would not stand in his way.

“We need to think about whether it could be a possibility to begin allowing things that we’re not used to allowing,” he said. “If so, we would need to determine what those things are.”

This is not the first time Francis raised eyebrows with comments regarding allowing something that had not been allowed before, or that gave hope to a group of people that thought he would allow something even though he would not.

Francis recently discussed the possibility of allowing female deacons, saying theologians should study the example of Scripture.

“What did this mean at that time of the Bible? What does it mean today? Seriously, though, I don’t know. Someone please study things and tell me the answer to the things that you studied. In the meantime, I will keep saying things might be permitted until I am told that they are or are not possible of being permitted by me. I beg that you don’t take long because I’m not going to wait for an answer. If confronted with a question, I will say that it should be investigated. After that, I will leave it to you priests, bishops, and laymen to explain to everyone how I was misunderstood and how my words are always taken out of context.”

  • samton909

    When asked about the possibility of married or women priests, he said “The door to that is closed. But the Holy Spirit often opens doors, sometimes when I tell him to. God is full of surprises, so we will call a commission to tell us what to do. Remember what John Paul II said. But I forget, you will have to remember it. I was told that a footnote in Amoris Laetitia would be sufficient to allow women priests, and goat priests. I have forgotten whether I put that in or not. There is no other interpretation.”

    • Jakob Pohlman

      So funny….And then again, terrifying.

    • Hotrod1962

      I vehemently oppose goat priests….however, once my parrot can memorize the prayer of absolution, I see no reason why he and other birds cannot hear confession. If you give him a treat, he may reduce your penance.

    • Cpq

      I dont think the Pope said the Holy Spirit does things when he tells Him to. That would be heresy.

      • samton909

        Who are you to judge?

    • HermitTalker

      Not an accurate sometimes I tell him to.

    • Vlad the Impaler

      Goat priestesses may attract the Muslim converts!

  • Wulfrano Ruiz Sainz

    Has he considered the possibility of hanging himself?

    • Mike Boes

      Too far idiot

      • JK

        I think WRS was being far more scripturally focused than you think: I read his comment as an allegory of Judas.

    • schlaflosig

      That’s a very un-Christian thing to say of anyone, especially about the Holy Father.

      • Fran

        Have you kept up with all the things he is saying? He’s not very charitable in he’s talks. I wish he would retire. The devil has entered the church for sure.

    • Adrian Johnson

      He has told us to respect Judas’ remorse. He implies that we should respect Judas’ other actions as well.

  • HermitTalker

    Francis as cardinal learned from an Orthodox scholar that deaconesses of old were not ORDAINED to HOLY ORDERS, therefore this study is DOA. HE backed JP11 fully on no women priests. I understand satire on several topics, but absolutely reject monkeying around with fake quotes. Including a non-quote in A.L.

    • Richardson McPhillips

      “My Orthodox brother Bart shows me the fullness of the lungs of the Church with tradition and discernment. We must let the Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father also be the good Spirit of the future, teaching us to be bold in the storms. Do not be recalcitrant neo-catechumens, always trusting in the past! The past is dead! Like those tirophagist paradosical-pithakoses! They have their reward! Out into the deep of strong currents and bad winds!”

      • HermitTalker

        Agree we may use satire for satire. We may not attribute heretical ideas to our ST PETER’s SUCCESSOR when our hubris or ignorance attacks him.

        • VeilOfTiers

          An interesting choice of words: St. Peter’s Successor.

          Is there a reason you did not use his name? I’m only asking because some people think the current resident in the Vati…er, I mean Casa Santa Marta is not truly the Holy Father and St. Peter’s Successor. I don’t think you are one of them but you might consider being more specific.

          • HermitTalker

            His TITLE suffices, those who dispute this Pope ‘s validity are heretics or skating on thin ie. Overly righteous or loosey-goosey. Virtuev stands in the middle

          • Adrian Johnson

            All we ask is that the Pope be Catholic.

          • Casper

            Well, that’s a little too much to ask these days.

          • Adrian Johnson

            Apparently.

          • Thibaud313

            Technically Casa Santa Marta is in the Vatican.

          • Thibaud313

            Following that comment, I checked the Wikipedia article on Domus Sanctae Marthae to make sure I was not wrong on dissing VeilOfTiers about the Domus being in the Vatican (I was not). There is a quote about Francis quote “explaining” unquote why he is residing in the Domus instead of the Apostolic Palace. That quote is another proof that Francis seems to be physically incapable of uttering a single complete sentence that is clear and makes sense: “The residence in the Apostolic Palace is not luxurious. It is large and made with good taste, but not luxurious. But in the end it is like a funnel turned upside down. It is large, but the entrance is narrow. Only one person at a time can get in and I cannot live alone. I must live my life with others”. One should device a game with a list of Francis’ answers and a list of questions asked to Francis and the goal would be to try and connect the correct question to the correct answer. It would be a very challenging game indeed.

          • HermitTalker

            You, not Francis is confused.

          • Thibaud313

            Not untrue, at least the first part.

      • Adrian Johnson

        Don’t forget coprophagy. 🙂

    • Thibaud313

      JP11? That sounds like the first droid Pope.
      (Disney, if you introduce a droid character named JP11 in any future Star Wars movie, I want 500 dollars, a lightsaber prop and an “Executive Producer” credit)

    • Monk

      Please tighten up your use of Roman numerals. There have not been eleven JPs.

      • Vlad the Impaler

        And Pope John IV is not the patron saint of intravenous delivery.

  • Thomas Zabiega

    This is the best summary of Pope Francis and his papacy I have read. The first sentence is basically the Holy Father’s mission statement.

  • Dolly Kochen Willinger

    I know this is satire, but the question on whether something is allowed or not should be the Bible to determine what is right or wrong…Catholics need to read the Bible for guidance by the Holy Spirit and have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. We all need to look at the condition of our hearts and live to bring glory to God!

    • samton909

    • Carol Melucci

      Wise words…letting the Holy Spirit guide and pondering the Word for guidance. Lastly, looking in your heart and living a life that will bring glory to God. Amen.

      • Dolly Kochen Willinger

        Amen, to God be the glory!

    • VeilOfTiers

      Actually, the Catholic Mass contains readings and many many lines from the bible. Of course, Catholics need to attend Mass to hear them.

      • Dolly Kochen Willinger

        With all respect, Scripture instructs us to search the Scriptures to learn if what we are being told and taught is actually the truth.

        • HermitTalker

          One has aess to MAGNIFICAT Magazine, US with UK and Ireland editions for daily and Sunday Masses and a simple morning evening and night prayer. Study and learning are not the goal but Lectio Divina contemplation

        • Monk

          That’s circular reasoning.

        • Adrian Johnson

          It also says it is wrong to add to or take away from the Biblical canon, and God will punish those who do. Some Protestant denominations leave out certain inconvenient books that support Catholic teachings they don’t endorse.

        • Casper

          I think you got your replies to “Veil of Tiers” and “Marie von Gompel Alsbergas” mixed up.

    • Marie Van Gompel Alsbergas

      Colossians 2: 4 – 10. Remember that the Church developed the Bible, not the other way around. Hold fast to the traditions of the Early Fathers of the Church.

      • Dolly Kochen Willinger

        I agree As we have received Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior, we continue to live in Him, rooted and built up in Him, strengthened in the faith as we have been taught and overflowing with thankfulness. All Scripture was inspired by God and written by men as they were led by the Holy Spirit..

    • Fran

      I’m sure the Lord is not very happy about now.

  • Charles

    The Church of Anything Goes and If You Feel Like It, Do It. Our Vicar of Christ has now proclaimed himself The Second Christ–new and improved, of course.

    • Casper

      The “new” New Adam!

    • HermitTalker

      Cynically Sick.

  • Thibaud313

    Someone needs to start a “stupid/confusing statement” jar at the Vatican. We could finance an entire hospital for the poor in a week!

  • Beth Van

    Francis wanted a mess, he has made a mess.

  • susanna

    Was that another interview on a plane? Then it’s all up in the air.

  • This one is far too close to the truth. I think it’s something in Argentine Jesuit culture that just isn’t translating.

    • Adrian Johnson

      Oh it translates very well; it’s recycled Liberation Theology and Tielhardism.

      • Fran

        Amen

      • Mark

        5 bucks you’ve never read Teilhard and the only thing you know about him is what leftists who’ve never read him desperately wish he was.

        • Adrian Johnson

          You lose. Thinking I could save time by taking one course which could apply to both theology and philosophy degrees, I took a hellish course in 1967 requiring reading “The Divine Milieu” and the “Phenomenon of Man” and I learned to dislike Tielhard from primary sources.
          Pretentious doesn’t begin.

          • Mark

            Aww, you had to read a book 50 years ago and you were too dumb to understand it, and that makes you an expert? Boohoo.

          • Adrian Johnson

            I should have thought that someone who admired Teilhard’s ideas would not stoop to an ad hominem attack. It is indeed possible that I am stupid, despite having an IQ that qualified me to join MENSA. (I didn’t, though, as thought they were pretentious too.)
            However I disliked Teilhard because I did understand him– and well enough to make an A on my term paper.

          • Mark

            “People who boast about their IQ are losers.” – Stephen Hawking

            Also, ad hominem means substituting an insult for an argument, it’s not a fancy word for “boohoo, you insulted me on the internet.”

          • Casper

            Mark. You’re not representing Teilhardians very well.

          • Mark

            The wilfully ignorant do not deserve enabling. Hell, I’m barely a “Teilhardian”, I’m just literate and don’t dismiss an idea because I don’t get it and refuse to even try. But if we’re going to keep running down the Teilhard rabbit hole, his religious ideas are basically orthodox and reminiscent of medieval Franciscan theology. But he’s not a theologian writing popular devotional literature. He’s a scientist, writing as a missionary to scientists, and I really don’t give a damn about how “b-but this openly anti-theist scientist The Phenomenon of Man was bad!!! that means it must be because Scientists® are infallible!!!”

            These are the same sort of people who condemned Thomas Aquinas for using Aristotle.

          • greenflash514

            “… his religious ideas are basically orthodox and reminiscent of medieval Franciscan theology,” … with subtle, though pretentious, overtones of oak, lilac, chocolate and Skittles ….

          • HanzP

            A philosophy and theology degree, and you still don’t know IQ scores have very little to do with true intelligence?

  • Casper

    I have a serious comment. A few days after the election of our current pope, I had a dream (nightmare) that he sold all the artwork in the Vatican. It was very scary to think about, but in the dream he had said “who needs all this expensive artwork when we could be feeding the poor?”. The true tragedy and scandal, of course, if his actual papacy, wherein he has sold all of Catholic teaching (the true treasure) for the approval secular society. If that’s why he does it. I don’t even know.

    • lorimav

      The saints did both. They fed and cared for the poor and were zealous for the beauty of their churches.

      Although initially I was very enthusiastic about Pope Francis, and had no nightmares or sense of foreboding at his election, I have just read an article on a blog where many people either had negative dreams or unexplained negative reactions .

      • HermitTalker

        That’s called Demon’s interference. Francis is trying to implement the Second Council of the Vatican aka THE GOSPEL. Love Mercy, not rules and legalistic mumbo jumbo

        • lorimav

          First time I heard that the Second Vatican Council, a “pastoral” council which John XXIII declared was not defining any dogma, was the GOSPEL. Even this pastoral council, and the teachings of the Pope’s who attended this council bear little resemblance to things that are coming out of this pontificate. We have the law of non-contractdiction. For example, we have the words if the Lord, THE VERY GOSPEL, who says “Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.” We also have nearly 2000 years of the Church’s magesterial teaching. Then, we have Pope Francis. Because of the law of non-contractdiction, I have to choose from opposing views. I choose 2000 years of the Church’s magesterium and most especially I choose the very clear words of the Lord, who even tells us that this law was from the BEGINNING, and who tells us that He has not come to change one jot or tittle of the law, but has come to fulfill the law.He has sent the Holy Spirit through the sacraments​ for us to precisely be able to fulfill His laws which heretofore might have been to difficult to fulfill. There have always been rules that the Lord demanded us to follow. He was upset with the legalistic Pharisees who neglected the commandments of the Father (prohibition against adultery being one of them) and promoted their own man-made laws. He was NEVER against keeping laws that His Father established! He did have Mercy for those who had fallen short and who are REPENTANT and firmly intended to change their ways. He did not tolerate those who relaxed the rules of His Father in order to follow their own man-made laws. For example, you could not relax the commandment that requires you to support your parents in order to donate property that you could use yourself in the meantime and not for your parents’ support because you had set it aside for the Pharisees after your death. In this way the Pharisees both stole and caused others to break the fourth commandment. The Lord was serious about His Father’s commandments and spurned the Pharisees who were unrepentant. The Lord’s teaching is clear. The Magisterial teaching until Francis has been clear. The only mumbo jumbo that we have is coming from close associates of Pope Francis who in interpreting Amoris Laetitia, would reject the laws of the Lord meant for our happiness and sanctification for some perverse false mercy. How is it mercy to anyone to allow them to profane the sacraments and remain in sin? The sacraments have real power to aid us in keeping the commandments, including to help us avoid adultery. Mercy is inviting the sinner to repentance, extending forgiveness, and helping them to live in closer union with the Lord, in the ways that He has taught us. Who am I to judge and some sinners are unable to keep the law so we need to meet them where they are at, are not the kind of thing you will find in the Gospel. In the Gospels you find the Lord’s commandments and the POWER to keep them, not some mumbo jumbo that denies it.

  • HermitTalker

    Pope Francis prays one hour each morning and one in the evening. A recommendation to some of you destructive critics. # I LISTEN #2 PRAY #3 SHUT UP.

    • Thibaud313

      I’m not saying Pope Francis is not a prayerful man. And he may even be a saint.
      I’m just saying he is a terrible Pope.
      Saint Celestine V was a terrible Pope, by everyone’s admission including his own, since he abdicated. But he’s a saint.

  • Vlad the Impaler

    Finally the proverbial question “Is the Pope Catholic” is no longer a mere rhetorical device!

  • James B

    I’m so tired of the Francis Show. Did someone misplace the decimal point with his 4 year anniversary and in fact has been 40 years?

    • Thibaud313

      I agree the Francis Show has jumped the shark. I mean, Season 1 to 3 were at least unexpected, you never knew where it was going. Starting with Season 4, the Francis Show has become stale and formulaic: once an episode, Francis’ neighbor “Kasper” will barge into Francis’ appartment and come up with a ludicrous scheme (“How about this Francis: ordaining women deaconess?”) and Francis will just go along with it. Then there is the lame rivalry between Francis and his arch-nemesis, “Burke” (“Hello… Francis.” “Hello… Burke.” “I couldn’t help but notice you didn’t answer my dubia. Has it gotten… lost in the mail?”). Plus, the show is just repeating plot points and episode structure (how many times can they make a “Francis gives a stupid interview to an Italian Communist newspaper” already?). And Francis is just repeating old, tired catchphrases now (“Who am I to judge?”). Plus, there’s always the same problem with the lack of diversity. They got a great character with “Sarah” but they keep reducing his role. Let’s hope the Higher Ups in Heaven cancel this show asap.

  • HermitTalker

    One needs a license to cut hair. Any crazed idea is allowed to pass as comment on any Pope’s Wednesday talk, or translation of an interview. Including what he did not say. Women priests are off the agenda; he was already convinced before eletion by an Orthodox scholar deaconesses were not sacramentally ordained but designated ministers. He wants to pursue the concept. Discernment, Jesuit Ignatius’ gift to thhe Church. Francis is a Jesuit. Woo hoo al un-thinking un-critical intellectual babies drowning in the dee end of the pool.

  • William of Orange

    The Canadian Council of Catholic Bishops (CCCB) is apparently asking Pope Francis to approve the outsourcing of confessions to a call center in the Philippines. If the test is successful, other countries may follow suit with reconciliation available by phone, text, email and online chat. It’s expected to be revenue neutral because the service provider will offer remote computer repairs for their Catholic customers at discounted rates. Cyber-penances are expected to include performing Windows Updates, watching Mass on EWTN and for very grave sins, a lifetime subscription to The Vortex with Michael Voris.