Solemn High Requiem Mass Held For The Spirit Of Vatican II

August 29, 2014 by  
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Requiem Mass for Louis XVI (3)

CINCINNATI, OH- A Solemn High Requiem Mass was held Thursday at St. Martura Church in downtown Cincinnati for the Spirit of Vatican II, aged 52. After suffering a progressively debilitating illness for the last ten years of its life as a new generation of priests re-examined the Council in light of Sacred Tradition, the Spirit of Vatican II passed away quietly in its sleep last Tuesday.

“The Requiem Mass really brought closure to the community,” said 26-year old Father David Flannigan, FSSP, who celebrated the Mass with Deacon Brady Schwartz, 32, and Subdeacon Anthony LaViera, 23. “While the death of the Spirit of Vatican II was certainly expected, we were glad to offer Mass for its repose.”

“What a beautiful Mass!” commented long-time parishioner Gladys O’Neal. “I hadn’t seen black vestments since I was a little girl. And as much as I love the song On Eagle’s Wings, the Dies Irae sequence really got me thinking about the Four Last Things.”

The Spirit of Vatican II is survived by a dwindling number of aging hippies who dropped out of seminary in the ‘70’s, some faded felt banners, and tambourines presently gathering dust in storage.

  • That pic is from salt lake city, in OH!

  • BLM4L

    lol

  • BigBlueWave

    Bury felt banners!

  • Paul Schumann

    Those black vestments, though… *swoons*

    • Terry Lynn Madeleine Dillon

      *swoons with you*

    • Paula Warnes

      Lol!

    • Come to an Eastern Liturgy during the Great Lent … you’ll be overcome!

  • John Médaille

    If only…

  • Gabe Jones

    “And as much as I love the song On Eagle’s Wings, the Dies Irae sequence really got me thinking about the Four Last Things.”

    Nice.

  • michelekc

    I wish!

  • A Guy

    Hmmm. “St Martura” Church…http://www.oldstmarys.org/cornerstone/Advent1998/art.html

    Too bad there’s no FSSP in the ‘Nati.

    • Matt Swaim

      They are, however, in Dayton. And Lexington.

    • Jenny Parker Wendling

      As a member of OSM for 14 years, I immediately recognized that it is indeed the bones of St. Mature that are housed under the high altar at Old St. Mary’s. And they are NOT FSSP. I guess this is a joke. They do celebrate high Mass and use traditional vestments however.

  • ProfKwasniewski

    Nailed it this time, EOT.

  • Nick

    Pathetic. . . .

  • David Standeven

    It would be great irony worthy of traddieland if it was done according to the 1962 Missal and the Pius XII innovations, a.k.a. the “Novus Ordo Prototype”.

  • Partoghimeos

    Isn’t a Christian funeral traditionally supposed to be denied in the case of suicide?

    • Lee Bacchi

      In the past, yes, but not murder!

    • JoFlemings

      Oh no, I think that was a natural death.

    • Nicholas McDermott

      Suicides are not banned a funeral now, as it is known that many take their own lives due to mental illness.

  • Sallie Rembert

    i wish and pray that you are right, but, like isis, the “spirit of vii” may be
    with us biding it’s time. waiting.

  • Maryliziz

    I feel guilty for the belly laugh I just had over this.

  • Galahad

    It’s not the men who dropped out of seminary in the 70’s we should worry about- but rather those who graduated!

    • Lee Bacchi

      Be careful — I am one of them who graduated!

  • Elmer Dante

    Wonderful. I’m tired of hearing that my love for the Tridentine Mass is a form of nostalgia for the past. Isn’t the sloppy manner in which the Mass promulgated by Pope Paul VI is celebrated a form of nostalgia for the 1960s and 1970s by aging hippies?

    • Paula Warnes

      Well said.

  • Dave

    Hee hee hee hee….

  • Matthew Williams

    Its a shame there are no comments decrying this post as too close to home to be funny. They are always the best, the funniest, and make the blog an even better read.

  • Lee Bacchi

    Yes, how sad. I understand V2 died in Cincinnati after Archbishop Bernardin was translated to Chicago and Archbishop Pilarczyk retired.

  • Joe LaCour

    How can V2 be dead?? It’s alive and well in so many diocese in the USA. I know, as I live in one.

    I am ready to Schutte Haugen.

    • WayfarinStranger

      “I am ready to Schutte Haugen”
      He certainly Haas written some awful stuff that I’ve Hurd, but really, is his Jonc as bad as all that?

      • Ben Tenther

        I’m practically Foley-ing out of my chair in laughter.

  • Silky Johnson

    Funny, but here’s the rub. The reality is that all the crazy things that happened in the 1970 became institutionalized by the 1980s. They introduced more innovations in the 80s that became the norm by the 90s. The Spirit of Vatican II is not dead. It has successfully disguised itself as conservatism by people with short memories.

    Quick joke from a catholic friend:

    Q: What do you call a Catholic priest who says mass with Eucharistic Prayer 2, facing the people, with altar girls, hand holding, and congregational singing?

    A: Episcopalian.

    • Greg Lamatrice

      Eucharistic Prayer II finds its origins in the ‘Apostolic Tradition’ by Hippolytus of Rome in the 2nd century. Now, as to the orientation of the priest celebrant, altar girls, and hand holding, I agree with you foursquare.

      • Silky Johnson

        Back when EP2 was written, the concilium said it was, just as you said, from Hippolytus. I wish I could remember where I read it, but I read that later they discovered that it wasn’t really an anaphora itself, but rather a commentary on an anaphora. Whether that is true or not, I can’t be sure (because I’m an interested layman, not a genuine scholar). Some priests tell me yes, others no.
        No matter. I just have a hard time accepting something as the “Roman Rite” when the very canon that makes the Mass Roman is ignored. It takes an extra three minutes to use the Roman Canon. Honestly, they should suppress all other Eucharistic prayers, and keep the Roman Rite Roman.

        • Cradle Convert

          Yes, Silky Johnson!!

        • Famijoly

          As I have since the First Sunday of Advent 2015. Only the Roman Canon when I say the Novus Ordo Mass, and, of course, when I say the Traditional Latin Mass. Here’s a juicy bit of irony I read recently from someone who timed all the Eucharistic Prayers: The Canon in the Traditional Mass and Eucharistic Prayer II in the Novus Ordo take the same amount of time.

  • sequax

    There is another possibility. You know that (slightly heretical) small-t tradition of saying a Requiem mass for those who aren’t quite dead yet? To, ahhh… help them along? 😉

  • Perplexed

    So are you all saying that you believe that the Holy Spirit was wrong?

    • bazzerman

      Quite

      • Perplexed

        Quite a big call to claim to know better than the Holy Spirit

    • Actually, the author is careful to say “The Spirit of Vatican II” which Pope Benedict called a “virtual council.” It’s a faulty set of interpretations of the council. Hence, the criticism is not of Vatican II the texts (which are inspired) but of the false interpretations of Vatican II made by ideologues in the clergy in the mid 70s & 80s. The Church is infallible, but the clergy are all kinds of fallible.

      • Phil Steinacker

        Fr. Ryan,
        You seem to claim that texts from Church Councils are inspired. Is that so? More inspired than scriptural texts? Less? The same?

        I’m not crazy about the possible answers to any of those questions, so I don’t like posing them in any manner except rhetorically.

        A handful of councils have been overturned by later councils, so there is apparent room for correction, if there can be repudiation.

        Still, I bow to your expertise as a priest but then must ask for a reference or citation which not only supports but provides greater clarity an depth to your claim.

        Thanks.

        • Hi Phil. I’ve honestly never been asked to defend this point. CCC 891 says “The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful – who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium,” above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine “for belief as being divinely revealed,” and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions “must be adhered to with the obedience of faith.”420 This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.” Two of the quotations are from Vatican II itself, the other is from Denziger-Schoenmetzer 3074. While I don’t have any of the references from Trent on hand, the teaching was expressed there as well.

          As for “overturning” teachings, we have to be careful of homogenizing councils. A lot of people do this and my previous comments lack the nuance that’s apropos for a real theological discussion. Within conciliar texts, you have “Canons”, “Constitutions”, “Decrees” and various names for “commentaries.” Each of those categories of teaching can address either matters “de fide” or matters of practice. When a Canon or Constitution addresses a matter “de fide” – that is of Faith or Morals – it is infallible. Decrees and commentaries are basically always matters of practice. It is true that matters of practice may be changed or even “overturned” through the course of history (c.f. property ownership by the clergy or the holding of political office), matters de fide are not and have not been…

          Vatican II is it’s own can of worms in that it never issued any Canons and that the four Constitutions, Dei Verbum excepted, are more about practice than matters de fide. So it can be argued that while the texts are “inspired” they are not necessarily infallible because the Church only every speaks infallibly on matters of faith and morals… But that’s a rather heady discussion and one that is likely to raise hackles.

          Hope this helps.

          • Venite Adoremus

            I know this was a while ago, now, but thank you for your explanation, Fr. Ryan! Pax Christi!

      • Ursula

        Fr Ryan, would you be sure that I have this explanation right, please before I continue to pass it on ?. It is a longer explanation for younger people who may not understand at all what the fuss is about–or who may have been educated by those who see nothing wrong with the ‘Catholic’ faith of Nuns on the Bus or LCWR types . There was a time that I believed as they do.. I was educated by those same nuns who belong to the LCWR but they were at an earlier stage…
        Q. So are you all saying that you believe that the Holy Spirit was wrong?
        A. We are not saying that at all perplexed…The reason often given for all of the changes since Vatican II is that Vatican II changed that. But many innovations and changes that have occurred cannot actually be found in the Documents of Vatican II. Some changes actually go against what is said in the documents.. Most people,including many clergy, did not read the documents for themselves. We just trusted those who were supposed to know. Many errors were passed on this way and have grown way beyond their beginnings. For example, did you know that Latin was never supposed to be taken completely out of the Mass?!? 99% of Catholics do NOT know this.abput the Mass.. When I actually read the documents for myself. I was rather shocked. When it is pointed out that these changes are not in the documents, the response was/is often along the lines that it is in keeping with the “Spirit of Vatican II”. This is what is meant by the phrase. the “Spirit of Vatican II”.. For those who interpret the documents in a hermeneutic of continuity, the phrase is a bit sarcastic. For those who interpret the documents in a hermeneutic of rupture (from what has gone before in Church Teaching), it is their favorite phrase in all the world and they fully believe in it and fully believe they have got it right. St John Paul II and Benedict (and John XXIII’s opening speech for the Council) says the documents are to be seen in a hermeneutic of continuity(whether this phrase is used or not.) In other words, we are not changing the message that has gone before. We are changing how the message is presented to the world….

        Relevant part of CONSTITUTION ON THE SACRED LITURGY
        SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM to Latin in the Mass:

        36. 1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.

        2. But since the use of the mother tongue, whether in the Mass, the administration of the sacraments, or other parts of the liturgy, frequently may be of great advantage to the people, the limits of its employment may be extended. This will apply in the first place to the readings and directives, and to some of the prayers and chants, according to the regulations on this matter to be laid down separately in subsequent chapters.

      • Marie Van Gompel Alsbergas

        I know that this was first published months ago, but we really need to separate the Vatican II under Pope John XXIII from the Vatican 2.1 called by Pope Paul VI. They technically were two separate councils, with different purposes and different results. Please!?!

    • Ursula

      The ‘Spirit of Vatican II” is NOT Vatican II. The Documents of Vatican II are a part of Church Teaching. The ‘Spirit of Vatican II’ of NOT a part of Church Teaching….It is not the Holy Spirit that authored THAT spirit!

    • Ursula

      We are not saying that at all perplexed…The reason often given for all of the changes since Vatican II is that Vatican II changed that. But many innovations and changes that have occurred cannot actually be found in the Documents of Vatican II. Some changes actually go against what is saod in the documents.. Most people,including many clergy, did not read the documents for themselves. We just trusted those who were supposed to know. Many errors were passes on that way and have grown way beyond their beginnings. For Example, did you know that Latin was never supposed to be taken completely out of the Mass?!? 99% of Catholics do NOT know this.abput the Mass.. When I actually read them for myself. I was rather shocked. When it is pointed out that these changes are not in the documents. the response would often be that it is following the “Spirit of Vatican II”. This is what is meant when you see the phrase. the “Spirit of Vatican II”.

      Relevant part of CONSTITUTION ON THE SACRED LITURGY
      SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM to Latin in the Mass:

      36. 1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.

      2. But since the use of the mother tongue, whether in the Mass, the administration of the sacraments, or other parts of the liturgy, frequently may be of great advantage to the people, the limits of its employment may be extended. This will apply in the first place to the readings and directives, and to some of the prayers and chants, according to the regulations on this matter to be laid down separately in subsequent chapters.

    • steve5656546346

      To say that a council has prudential errors is not to question the Holy Spirit–who does not overcome free will to stop prudential errors from happening in council or out–but to question the humility of many of those who attended. We did NOT see a council of deep prayer, in which every word was prayed over…but rather a rush and a gushing of words.

      Prudential errors at Councils have been quite common in history.

      • Perplexed

        Please see my reply to “discerning” above.
        Your brother in Christ.

    • discerning

      If the work of the Holy Spirit at Vatican 2 bothers you, just remember that the Holy Spirit can work negatively as well as positively, in others words at Vatican 2 the Holy Spirit prevented the modernists from spewing outright heresy, and instead merely confounded their words into the ambiguous, amorphous mess that we were left with.

      • Perplexed

        The work of the Holy Spirit has never bothered me.

        I praise God for the work and action of the Holy Spirit every day … even when it challenges and confronts me.

        What concerns me is the veiled sarcasm contained in the original post that generated this conversation thread.

        Yes, I appreciate that it was intended as a humorous reflection … but to me it read much more like backhanded humour and an insult directed towards those who may have a different view to its author.

        The same applies to many of the comments in this conversation thread and in the replies to my original observation.

        God’s ways are always beyond our ways and no one of us ever has a monopoly of the truth. It saddens me when people seem almost to claim to know the mind of God and seem so quick to shoot down and belittle people who have views different to their own (… note – this is a general observation, and not directed at any particular contributor).

        We are all brothers and sisters in Christ … but we stifle the work of the Holy Spirit whenever any one of us is so convinced that we are right, that we close our minds and hearts to our brothers and sisters … with whom we are ALL seeking to know the truth more and more clearly each day.

        God’s truth will set us free … and this truth is revealed to the whole Body … and discerned when we seek it together in unity (… which is not always the same thing as uniformity).

        I wish grace and peace to everyone who participates in this forum. May we all be open to the wisdom and “seeds of truth” present in these conversations. May we be open to discerning God’s truth in every time and place as together we seek to more authentically be God’s people in diverse places and situations in which we live.

        Grace and peace to you all.

  • fredx2

    The LCWR will be conducting a seance on Saturday.

    Sister Carol Schreck will attempt to channel the spirit of the deceased.

    “One Tap for Brave Spirit filled leadership, Two Taps for Courageous Explorers of New Ideas” will be the theme.

  • Ann Couper-Johnston

    Should this really be true, please can I celebrate with a Solemn High Mass in Thanksgiving, with every beautiful thing appropriate – starting with Mozart, including Gregorian chant and definitely the Mozart Ave Verum at Communion ….

    • Lyn

      LOL!!

  • 1crappie2

    Some say there was a slight whiff of the scent of old tainted apples present, but others suggested it was more sulfuric in aroma.

  • Terry Lynn Madeleine Dillon

    Eye of the Tiber, eye luff U!!!

  • Guest

    Geez, I thought it died in 1980…

  • Barb

    Wow… I thought it died in 1980!

  • Philippa Martyr

    I heard that the Spirit of Vatican II had had heart disease for many years now. So I suppose it was only to be expected.
    But hang on … Where’s the eulogy by the priest where he tells us that the Spirit of Vatican II is now in heaven, smiling down at us, and that we should offer prayers in thanksgiving for its life?

  • Confitebor Domino

    I hope someone drove a stake through its heart just to be on the safe side!

  • Galahad

    The principal heir, from what I hear, is the Hermeneutic of Continuity (who, by the way, is in great health and will be with us in saecula saeculorum!!).

  • Presbyter

    Some of the survivors currently run the Vatican.

  • Cassie Wonderalke

    Question. I was young when the mass changed to the current silliness. I just found a Latin mass near my home. Is it the same one prior to VII? I still have my St. Joseph’s missal that my parents bought me in 1962. I loved that missal and used it every time I went to mass. When they changed I was heart broken and probably because of this I stopped attending mass. It wasn’t until 1994 that I returned to church. I am now wanting to attend the Latin mass. I also just recently started wearing the chapel veil to church and adoration. My current church started some silliness to attract people back. Which by the way is NOT working. Of all things our pastor gave his entire staff a protestant book on how to revive church attendance. Because of this I have been church hopping. Anyway, my idea of mass is not having to greet and introduce myself to my neighbor at the very beginning and bebopping to more upbeat music. And the hand holding for the Our Father drives me nuts as well as the hand shake of peace. I refuse to do it. Barf. As for “On Eagles Wings,” I can’t stand that song and I loathe “How Great Thou Art.” I know I’m rambling, so can someone please answer my question? I’m really not as grumpy as I sound. Thanks

    • Marie Van Gompel Alsbergas

      As far as I understand it, yes, you may use your St. Joseph’s Missal at a current Latin Mass. Yes, you may continue to veil. I was just researching something else, and you may like this site, Cassie. https://www.fisheaters.com/theveil.html

      • Cassie Wonderalke

        Thank you!

  • Paula Warnes

    How would I face the New Year without you guys???!!

  • Cradle Convert

    I think a solemn excorcism would be more appropriate!

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  • Tea Party Anarchist

    I’m a recent convert, but I was drawn to the Church by her authenticity and pedigree. The closer to the Church of Peter we can get, the happier I’ll be.