Newspaper Fires Staff Writers Amid Allegations That They Had Opinions 

August 23, 2016 by  
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Image: Andrew Hermiz

Image: Andrew Hermiz

Two National Catholic Register staff writers have been fired and are now facing possible public flogging after they allegedly had opinions and were outspoken about them.

The National Catholic Register on Monday terminated Mark Shea and Simcha Fisher from their positions as staff writers from the EWTN-owned newspaper. Reports from several bloggers say that they were fired for allegedly saying stuff that kinda pissed some Catholics off, but made other Catholics happy.

According to officials at the National Catholic Register, comments from Shea and Fisher on Facebook did not conform to EWTN social media standards that require articles be “within the safe confines of the Catholic bubble from which no debate or critical thinking may be had.” 

An anonymous National Catholic Register official reported this morning that a phone call from EWTN chairman of the board and chief executive officer Michael Warsaw was made to the newspaper, asking, “Will no one rid me of these troublesome writers?”

Shea and Fisher were subsequently censured, and all Catholics who owned books by the accused were asked to burn them “effective immediately.” 

“When it came down to it, it was tone,” said the anonymous National Catholic Register official who was being closely watched by an armed EWTN agent. “As everyone knows, EWTN’s audience is mainly comprised of dinosaurs, and dinosaurs don’t like loud noises. One of EWTN’s younger readers who was born in the Cretaceous Era complained that the tone of former staff writers Mr. Shea and Mrs. Fisher was loud. She said that the tone rattled her like a ‘Triceratops hearing the roar of a Tyrannosaurus Rex.’ It had nothing to do with their positions on certain topics, which have not only conformed with the vision of our newspaper, but which have also been celebrated by us for many years.”

“Our EWTN readers,” he went on to say, “are not good with handling people with tempers. St. Jerome, for instance, was known for his temper, which is why those at EWTN, praise be their name, have opened a commission with the Vatican to investigate the possibility of de-canonizing St. Jerome.”

 

  • Rose Lincoln

    I know this is satire but, have I missed something?

    • Monk

      I had the same initial reaction, but an Internet search on the two referenced individuals put it all in context.

    • John

      It’s real. And so is the POPULAR (not simply “ECCLESIAL”) support for the decision: http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/mark-shea-fired-from-ncr.htm

      • Heathyr Kemp

        Because the POPULAR opinion is always the morally superior one. I’m sure a site called NovusOrdoWatch fully believes that.

        • Jessica

          Dying laughing that norvus ordo watch is brought in as evidence of popular opinion. Catholics are hilarious.

          • We don’t tend to be popular, just right!

          • Jessica

            Oh Lord.

          • sanveann

            AAAAAAAhahahahaha.

          • MamaK

            The question is: Are you Trads denouncing suspicious Novus Ordonarian behavior or are you Novus Ordonarians keeping your eye on pre-Vatican II dinosaurs?

          • We are Catholics watching the strange creature that is the Novus Ordo Sect.

          • Artevelde

            There’s something disturbingly escatological about the declining quality of fringe group schismatics.

          • Sorry we don’t meet your quality standards! But you could do a bit better yourself: those labels, such as “fringe group schismatics”, are getting old.

          • TedCoates

            Got to pity someone who “watches” something that doesn’t exist. You anuses are as much “Catholic” as I am the King of Arizona. Get out of Mommy’s basement.

          • Artevelde

            Me thinks your desire for novelty does not befit the label of your box.

          • A.T.

            I disagree with you all about Pius XII.Our chapel observe the after midnight holy communion fast and pre-1950 holy mass & holy week.His changes (don’t blame Bugnini he wasn’t the Pope) from 1951-1958 were catastrophic.

          • You may want to review Catholic teaching on submission to the Pope. You don’t get to do your own thing.

          • A.T.

            Council of Trent Session 7 Canon 13

          • A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

            Pope Pius XII, Encyclical Mediator Dei (1947), n. 58: “It follows from this that the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification. Bishops, for their part, have the right and duty carefully to watch over the exact observance of the prescriptions of the sacred canons respecting divine worship. Private individuals, therefore, even though they be clerics, may not be left to decide for themselves in these holy and venerable matters, involving as they do the religious life of Christian society along with the exercise of the priesthood of Jesus Christ and worship of God; concerned as they are with the honor due to the Blessed Trinity, the Word Incarnate and His august mother and the other saints, and with the salvation of souls as well. For the same reason no private person has any authority to regulate external practices of this kind, which are intimately bound up with Church discipline and with the order, unity and concord of the Mystical Body and frequently even with the integrity of Catholic faith itself.”

            http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius12/P12MEDIA.HTM

      • Meredith

        lolololololololol

        • A.T.

          I haven’t heard of Simcha and have only heard of Mark Shea.
          Novus Ordo people are funny.You all attack True Catholics but also attack liberal types.You all come across Lukewarm.
          Have a blessed day
          Dominus Vobiscum

  • Shaun McAfee

    I died at “dinosaurs.” Kids woke up from laughter. Wife is pissed.

  • ad

    Does Mark Shea or Simcha Fisher write for EOTT? You’ve totally lost me as a reader. Not even funny.

    • Peter Holmes

      On the contrary, one of the funniest and most timely posts ever!

    • James

      BOOHOO

    • Dan Li

      I don’t think they do. It seems rather thin-skinned of you to abandon EOTT for what seems a one-off parody article.

      • Meredith

        It’s just more of the same tribalism.

        • David W

          Speaking of Tribalism…

  • I thought EOTT was supposed to be a satire site. When did they start reporting actual news?

    • spudbynight

      This isn’t a satire site. Every single item on here is a factual account.

      Yes, EVERY single one.

    • When Francis took over, and that’s not EOTT’s fault.

      • Master Samwise

        Well, now that we have the opinion of the National Inquirer of Catholic media, let’s get back to the matter at hand.

        • Jude Thaddeus

          I believe that the Philadelphia newspaper is the Inquirer and the tabloid is the National Enquirer.

          • Master Samwise

            I tend to get those confused. Thanks for pointing it out.

  • NurseTammy

    They are 2 of my favorite writers…so sad that the advocates of living in safe bubbles decided they were too racy. They are not of the world but in it and speak truth in a useful way. Thanks to EOTT for pointing out the absurdity of their firings.

  • Thanks for the morning laugh!

  • Evan

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Timely, spot on, and great medicinal laughter.

  • drogah

    What makes satire funny: a hint of truth.

    These two weren’t fired because they have unpopular opinions. They were fired because they were obnoxious and less than charitable to others who disagreed with those views. The narrative that they were axed because of their opinions is a false one.

    • W Meyer

      “Less than charitable” is itself an exceedingly charitable description. Shea’s vitriolic rants on FB were not only uncharitable, but unchristian.

    • Dan Li

      I would disagree. I’ve been getting news from the Register for as long as I can remember having a computer. It’s been a great source of news and opinion that’s been faithful to the Church (as opposed to the other NCR) for which I’m glad. That said, these decisions don’t strike me as good decision making.

      While they have made strong comments, I don’t believe any of those should have earned them a termination. Warnings? A suspension? Maybe, but an apparently permanent termination seems far too extreme a reaction.

      • David W

        Well, keep in mind we have no idea what sort of communication went on between them and the Register before they were fired.

        • Master Samwise

          According to both Shea, Fisher, and others familiar with the event, there was no communication prior to termination.

          • David W

            As in no communication that they were in danger of being fired? Or as in no communications expressing concern for their behavior? I’m not asking this sarcastically. I’m just looking to understand here.

          • Master Samwise

            The former. And the NCR never did the latter, leaving it to combox warriors.

      • Tina Reiter

        The National Catholic Reporter is the paper I proudly read and LOVE, as do most well-informed, scholarly, PROGRESSIVE Catholics today! (Since Jesus was a liberal, feminist, progressive, certainly makes it good enough for me!) We are NOT in the dinosaur era any longer!!!

        • LFM

          Nonsense.

          Inasmuch as liberals, feminists, and progressives occasionally – very occasionally, these days – take up just causes, they could be said to be getting closer to Jesus. That does not mean that Jesus is part of them; it means that they are part of Him.

          • Christi H

            Yeah. On the RARE occasion a progressive takes a JUST cause,they are coming closer to Him, not vise versa. I say this as a traditional pro life feminist, and politically left of center individual, and a catholic: Liberalism and progressivism and conservatism, as philosophies go, are POISON. They are directional biases, not concrete coordinates, and everyone who follows them to their logical conclusion, like shea or NCReporter, will fall off the deep end.

          • Heinz

            It’s a tricky attitude, that I feel in protestants that I converse with. Jesus did rebuke the Pharisees on several occasions. Pharisees treasure law, tradition and had authority. Ergo both tradition and authority are Very Bad Things.
            What do you even say in reply to such logical acrobatics?

        • Timothy J. Williams

          Thank you for being honest enough to “out yourself” as a neo-pagan.

        • samton909

          Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

          Good one.

          You are better at satire than anyone on earth.

        • Heinz

          Reading only capitalized words you just wrote “LOVE PROGRESSIVE NOT”. I disagree! Especially progressives deserve our love!

        • Jude Thaddeus

          Ah, the apostate rag.

        • Guy McClung

          Please use spellchecker. It is “National(not) Catholic(not) Reporter(not).” Whether or not you agree with what has been published there, the clear cases of published heresy are legion. But if you believe the Church has no power to declare what is and what is not heresy, that is another matter. Guy McClung, San Antonio, Texas ps-congrats for the moral courage to state your name

    • Maggie

      Also the attack against people with the courage to stand up for life is just one of the MANY wrongful attacks and vicious words against faithful Catholics that just became intolerable coming from a Catholic newspaper.

      • Dave Edwards

        Really? I never saw that on the Register.

    • Alma Peregrina

      Rubbish. I’ve read Mark’s Patheos publications for years now. He was always “obnoxious” and “less than charitable”.

      Was he fired when his tropes were “gay brownshirts on the march”? Or “the gay legion of menacing visigoths for tolerance”?

      No? Why was that? Wasn’t that “obnoxious” and “less than charitable”? Where were the voices crying out for “charity” then?

      So, when was he fired?

      Why, when he became “obnoxious” and “less than charitable” to the wrong kind of people, of course!

      What kind of people? The people to whom “uncharity” and “obnoxiousness” is a virtue (or at least, a tolerable feature) for a man who is running for the presidency of the United States! The guy who’s just “saying what we’re all thinking”. The brave man who’s battling the dictatorship of political correctedness.

      So yeah… they were axed for their opinions. Everything else is just a pitiful excuse.

      • Maggie Sullivan

        He was fired for his stupidity…..he has a deep seated hatred for pro-lifers……and pro-lifer are the most wonderful people in the world.

        • Tina Reiter

          What an ignorant, monomaniacal, blanket statement to make! Like believing in ONE SINGLE issue (misguided and extreme to boot!) automatically puts you in some ellite group of “the MOST wonderful”??? So, for example, the abominable Trump is one of your wonderful “chosen ones”??? Ugh! Glad to NOT be in your group!

          • Maggie Sullivan

            Yes I agree, “What an ignorant, monomaniacal, blanket statement to make!”…..every time Mark Shea spewed his hatred for all pro-lifers he was acting this way.

            Remember Mark Shea was not attacking Trump….he was attacking the women and men who spend countless hours in the heat, rain, and snow offering help and love to mothers and babies in need at abortion mills, he was lying about the people who have spent years staffing preg care centers to offer free love and help, he was mocking all the people who work in post abortion healing groups to help mothers heal……Mark Shea is a vicious and lying man who’s hatred of pro-lifers knows no limit.

          • Dave Edwards

            Do have support for your claims?

          • Maggie Sullivan

            http://americamagazine.org/preferential-option-life

            this article by Shea in the dissenting America Magazine is just one of many of his writings that tell vicious lies about pro-lifers. It interesting that the link shea put in his article in no way say what he claims he says…..his article is a complete lie used as an excuse to harm pro-lifers.

          • Master Samwise

            I think you are trying to get offended here. Shea is specifically addressing people who consider themselves pro-life but are not. Like “pro-life in name only.”

            From my own experience, I personally know people who fit the description he gives of this sort of pro-lifer. One such person, a relative in fact, said that unwed mothers deserve to be poor because of their immorality. In the same instance, they denied that the same mother had any reason to abort their baby.

            One of Shea’s examples was that of Rand Paul who claims to be pro-life, said the following “Maybe we have to say ‘enough’s enough, you shouldn’t be having kids after a certain amount….’I don’t know how you do all that because then it’s tough to tell a woman with four kids that she’s got a fifth kid we’re not going to give her any more money. But we have to figure out how to get that message through because that is part of the answer.”

            Can you see how a woman could see this and believe that, in order to herself and her existing children alive and fed, abortion is actually a viable albeit horrible option?

          • Maggie Sullivan

            Master Sam, If Mr. Shea said things the way you do I believe he could have a point but I have seen about 6-8 times he has attacked pro-lifers and he never says that it is a certain kind of pro-lifer, or the politicians, he usually paints all pro-lifers as radical right-wing haters and war mongers………he has been attacking all pro-lifers for years and we know when Mark Shea brings out the long-knives he cuts the people he doesn’t like into shreds and the facts don’t seem to matter.

          • Master Samwise

            I am not sure that is true. I have read several of his posts regarding pro-life persons being inconsistent and I never got the sense he was painting with a broad brush. Elsewhere here I was commenting on an article that he wrote for the Reporter that someone said just attacked all pro-lifers forever. Actually reading the article, it resonated with me because I could plainly see he was creating ironies between condemning abortion while supporting some other grave evil. For example, he was critical of Rand Paul’s idea of cutting benefits to poor mothers so that they would stop having children. I don’t know about you, but doesn’t it strike you as rather hypocritical to say you want to end abortion but also end poor women having babies? It was like some strange parody.

            The articles where he goes after these sorts of pro-lifers resonates with me because I know these sorts of people personally. They are people who think it is ok to carpet bomb villages if they kill just one terrorist or think that we should expand the death penalty to all felonies. Shea’s criticisms do tend to be broad, but even then they are addressing a specific irony or paradox. I don’t agree with his style but I have ABSOLUTELY found people who think the homeless deserve to die in the cold but call themselves pro-life because they are against abortion.

          • James D. Adam Broxson

            He literally always says “Anti-abortion but not pro-life”. News flash- Pro-life is not a single voter issue unless we are talking about the totality of human life…from “conception…till NATURAL DEATH”.

          • steve5656546346

            He wrote such things very often: if you are not aware of hundreds of examples, it is because you don’t want to be–and no links would help you.

          • Timothy J. Williams

            Exactly! Ignorance is bliss for the Shea groupies.

          • Craig Roberts

            LALALALALALALALALAAAAA!!!! I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!

          • Timothy J. Williams

            Support? Have you never read Mark Shea?!! Just read his blog at Patheos. He attributes very evil thoughts to everyone on the pro-life movement. The man is nothing but a shill for Clinton Democrats.

          • Jim the Scott

            Hello Dr. Williams. Fancy seeing you here.

            >Have you never read Mark Shea?!! Just read his blog at Patheos.

            I’ve read him for years.

            > He attributes very evil thoughts to everyone in the pro-life movement.

            Not everyone. Just people who disagree with his eclectic semi-left political views.

            >The man is nothing but a shill for Clinton Democrats.

            I doubt his is a member Hillary’s champaign. He used to refer to Hillary as “Lady MacBeth”. I shamelessly stole that from him. As a Trump supporter I would say his lack of support for Trump benefits Lady MacBeth. But he is not a joiner. He is a maverick. He is his own worst enemy. He confuses prudent judgments in politics for dogmatic moral certainty. It’s a common problem these days.

          • Master Samwise

            “As a Trump supporter I would say his lack of support for Trump benefits Lady MacBeth.” Seeing as his state is likely going blue regardless of his action or inaction, I don’t think that is true. He certainly doesn’t help Trump and I think that is really what you are upset about.

          • Jim the Scott

            You are entitled to your contrary political opinion. I have already made up my mind. Peace.

          • Master Samwise

            I guess so.

          • Timothy J. Williams

            It is a completely truthful statement. Mark Shea is a sick individual.

        • Master Samwise

          Huh….

      • Thaddeus_the_Flea

        Sorry, I can no longer reply to your comments on Mark Shea’s blog. He’s banned me from commenting.

        • Dave Edwards

          Cry me a river.

          • Thaddeus_the_Flea

            I’m not upset…..I was in a comment discussion with Alma Peregrina and I can no longer respond to her comments there. Nothing to cry about.

      • CAG

        So, we both agree that he should’ve been fired years sooner?

      • Faithr

        When a person writes their own blog, that’s one thing, but when they write for a publication and insult the very people the publication is trying to attract, that’s where it gets sticky. I think they were unprofessional and that’s what did them in. I do hope they can recover from this. They have many, many fans and many connections so I hope things work out for them.

    • Dave Edwards

      How can an opinion be “a false one.” Facts can be false; opinions cannot.

      • Nate Winchester

        What would you designate opinions drawn and based upon false facts?

  • cristy

    It’s a sad world we’re living in, and the Catholic bubble of that world just got sadder. Thanks for a laugh amidst the misery.

  • Colin Corcoran

    Very Sad EOTT – stick to satire…. I’m not going to cry over the loss of these two people – not one tear. They were fried with good reason

    • Steven Schloeder

      they just got let go, not electrocuted…. 😉

    • More like: Newspaper Fires Staff Writers Because They Made Crude Sexual Jokes And Lied in Public Forums

    • Craig Roberts

      They FRIED them???!!! That does sound like a bit much…they must have been convicted as witches.

  • More like: Newspaper Fires Staff Writers Because They Made Crude Sexual Jokes in Public Forums

    • The author of an NFP book joking openly about sex? Well, I never.

      • Netmilsmom

        Where exactly does “Half Swastika, Half Blow job” quote that she wrote on FB, come into her NFP book?

        • Yeah, blowjobs definitely are intimately related to NFP. Not.

          • James D. Adam Broxson

            Well Catholic sexual ethics does state foreplay is ok if it culminates in the truly unitive and procreative sexual act..so there is that.

          • Kyle Coffey

            Yes but blow jobs don’t count as legitimate foreplay, neither does anal penetration. What is the difference between the two (anal and oral) teleologically ?

          • Dorothy

            What’s the difference between Simcha invoking such imagery on her Facebook page and you having this discussion in the combox of EOTT?

          • Kyle Coffey

            I don’t know anything about what you are talking about. I was just replying to the commenter above who holds the widely held, but false, opinion that oral sex performed on men is morally permissible.

            I don’t know what image Simcha used, but graphics and words are different, the potential to violate modesty is greater with a graphic image.

            While it isn’t ideal, I think there is a place for carefully worded discussion on these topics. Especially if the error is publicly made.

          • fab4mattmarklukejohn

            Oh. Maybe not, then.

          • BCSWowbagger

            Sure they do, as long as they culminate in the fashion that accords with human flourishing (i.e. healthy intercourse). Strictly from a teleological standpoint, both acts are identical — and both are acceptable.

          • Kyle Coffey

            So anal sex (which is analogous to blowjobs) is morally permissible as long as the man finishes with vaginal sex? I don’t think so.

            You are incorrect, from a teleological perspective.

            The penis has only one orifice that it belongs in. Likewise, the vagina is intended to be receptive to only one type of penetration. That is why blowjobs and anal sex on one hand and sex toys on the other aren’t morally permissible.

            I have heard a good traditional priest theologian mention that both St. Thomas and St. Alphonsus Ligiouri deliberated in this way.

          • BCSWowbagger

            Sex toys *are* morally permissible within the context of a procreative sexual act. Your priest friend is mistaken if he claims St. Thomas argued otherwise.

            “The penis has only one orifice that it belongs in.”

            This is akin to saying that, because mouths are teleologically ordered to eating, kissing is a mortal sin against nature. It is false.

            The sexual act is ordered toward a particular teleological end — the deposit of semen in the vagina. If that end is served, then, telelogically, the act is not morally defective.

            There are, of course, many other ways an act can be morally defective. An act may be teleologically sound but physically unhealthy and thus morally defective (certain acts involving the rear end come to mind) or telelogically sound but inherently disrespectful of human dignity, like certain masochistic practices. Such acts are evil, just not on teleological grounds.

            But the use of mouth and fingers in foreplay? A vibrator? Kisses of the chest and backside? There is nothing wrong with these things. To read restrictions on them into Aquinas takes considerable effort, because they aren’t there. To practice such restrictions, moreover, is to condemn a great many wives (among whom sexual frigidity is all too common) to never experiencing sexual pleasure — which seems to be a very improbable outcome from a natural law perspective.

          • Kyle Coffey

            Listen to the audio and then let me know what you think. What are your objections to Fr. Ripperger’s argument? He is a former FSSP priest who taught at their seminary. I think even his position carries some weight. But he does mention Aquinas but specifically Ligouri as well.

          • BCSWowbagger

            Unfortunately, I don’t have 45 minutes to spare, and won’t for a few weeks yet, so any response I give may take quite a while. (Note to podcasters everywhere: always post transcripts!)

            Can you give me the relevant time indicies, or must I listen to the whole thing? Am I right to think that his arguments are broadly similar to Alice von Hildebrand’s objections to Christopher West’s somewhat-similar claims?

          • Kyle Coffey

            Sorry I don’t know the discussion between Mrs. Hildebrand and Mr. West.

            I looked it up and Fr. Ripperger’s discussion of foreplay between the married begins at about 6:00 (and he started to introduce special terminology at 6 mins) and between 11:00-19:40 is the meat of the argument. But if you pick it up at 6 mins through 19:40 you should have the full context. It is fairly nuanced.

          • Kyle Coffey

            I think one thing to keep in mind is that a person’s mouth is a very “general purpose” part of their body, much like a person’s hands are. Whereas the penis and the vagina are more narrowly ordered towards a specific end.

          • James D. Adam Broxson

            Actually blowjobs are ok as long as it is to bring on sexual arousal but not climax.

          • James D. Adam Broxson

            If the non-procreative aspects of sexuality were instantly not legitimized by the possible non-procreative nature of said actions then one would be at risk of mortal sin for merely engaging in sexual attraction itself (which is patently absurd). If a man experiences a nocturnal emission he is not at all culpable. If a man experiences a pre-ejaculation when he intends to culminate in a truly unitive (in the classical sexual sense) act of procreative sex then he is not at a truly culpable fault unless he intended to commit an onanistic act.

          • Kyle Coffey

            Please watch Fr Ripperger’s talk. It is very insightful and nuanced.

          • James D. Adam Broxson

            I will but even if it supports your view that is really a simple task to debunk. This is a topic that has varied views.. Even from Orthodox Catholic priests. The view I mentioned however is written in Christopher West’s books. These books contain imprimatur etc noting from the Church no heresy is being taught.

          • Kyle Coffey

            I’m glad you will listen to it. The talk has many other awesome points in it worthy of your time. Also, an imprimatur is not infallible. Just means it went through a proper channel of approval.

          • James D. Adam Broxson

            Semantics. With that logic I can say the same about Encyclicals. They are not infallible..though they often hold infallible content. http://www.rosarychurch.net/answers/qa011996b.html

          • Kyle Coffey

            An imprimatur is not a magisterial document. We don’t owe it humble submission. Nice try.

            If you would only listen to Fr. Ripperger’s (who is a much higher authority than Mr. West) talk and even research the issue you would know that St. Alphonsus Ligouri says sticking your penis (even if you finish vaginally) in your woman’s mouth is mortally sinful. But whatever, Mr. West is also a Doctor of the Church known especially for his moral philosophy and moral theology, right?

          • James D. Adam Broxson

            He is currently being spread by your bishops as ok to be read in parishes all over the country. This is an issue you disagree with..cool. There are people in the world that think it is a great dishonor to Jesus to receive communion in the hand ..and yet it was a point of various opinion in the fathers of the church. If you want to load up the people “with heavy burdens while doing nothing to help them.” ..be my guest, that is fine and that is fully your right as a free agent but if you want to try and convince me that the ” official license by the Roman Catholic Church to print an ecclesiastical or religious book.” is not an indication that it is free from moral controversy why on what possible planet would I agree with you about other imprimature’d books by saints who differed in scrupulous opinions. Just so you know Christopher West based his book as a mere break down of St. John Paul the Great. I trust a saint for sure..but I trust a saint who is teaching as pope even more.

          • fab4mattmarklukejohn

            I was wondering.

          • Dorothy

            You have also used the expression and imagery you are upset with Simcha for using.

          • Timothy J. Williams

            Oh, please. Honesty is required with people who deny the truth about Simca’s vulgarity.

          • Master Samwise

            What about Carolyn McKinley’s accusation that Simcha is sexually loose woman?

            http://throwthebumsoutin2010.blogspot.com/2016/08/simcha-fishers-vulgarity-worsens-after.html

          • Jude Thaddeus

            Carolyn compared Simcha’s rhetoric to that of a back alley ghetto prostitute. Then after posting screen shots of Simcha’s Fakebook exchanges, she wrote: “The lady is a tramp.” I did not take that literally (did you?), but as a play on words using the lyrics from the song, “That’s why the lady is a tramp.”

          • Master Samwise

            Eh, she didn’t say, “she acts like a tramp” or “this is the language of a tramp” but literally and actually, “this lady is a tramp.” Taken as strictly as Carolyn has taken Simcha, then Carolyn called her a tramp, plain and simple.

            And you have inadvertently stumbled upon the crux, I think, of the whole issue. People took personal offense to what Simcha and Mark said and wanted them fired as consequence. This, I think, has little to do with actual harm or even morality. People got offended–and maybe a bit jealous–and took everything they said in the direct opposite way the Catechism tells us to i.e. the best possible light.

          • Jude Thaddeus

            If you offend the readership of a publication for which you write, then you are quite likely to be fired. You are free to express your thoughts, but you will also have to deal with the consequences.
            Carolyn probably could have worded that more carefully for the benefit of those who are not used to extended metaphors (Lincoln as captain of a ship, Juliet as the sun, etc…). Since she had stated at two other points that she was comparing the language being used to that of a prostitute, I took it as a continuation of the metaphor. It is quite common for an author to use a metaphor and return to it later without restating it.
            Now, as to the substance of Simcha’s language, I cannot be convinced that it was suitable for anyone who presents themselves as a Catholic and a mother.

          • Master Samwise

            “If you offend the readership of a publication for which you write, then you are quite likely to be fired. You are free to express your thoughts, but you will also have to deal with the consequences.” As I said before, no such consequence was even hinted to Shea or Fisher until they were actually fired. Most employers that aren’t horrible tend to at least say something. NCR did not.

            Why are you defending Carolyn? I looked at the comments and saw that someone called her out on the tramp comment. She ignored it and basically said Mark and Simcha were worse.

            Furthermore, you seem to exonerated Carolyn for saying bad things because it was comparative. Why can’t Simcha be exonerated then? Her reference to “make America penis again” was clearly in reference to the time Trump referenced his penis size as a qualification for the presidency.

            Again, this whole spat seems to be actually about people getting upset over internet comments. It’s like everything in those lame cyberbullying videos is actually true. Which they’re not. Unless you take everything said on the internet to be roughly equitable as punching you repeatedly in the gut.

          • Master Samwise

            There are several jokes that could be made here all relating to your sex life, but given the current climate, they should probably be saved for a later date.

        • Dorothy

          Why is it okay for you to write those words and not Simcha?

          • Collin Wahlund

            It would be acceptable because it is quoting and illustrating the point of why these actions took place.

          • Dorothy

            Don’t buy it. It’s simply not appropriate to talk about such things in a public forum, especially to engage in criticism of someone else for the same thing. Meanwhile, everyone would scream like banshees if I began to quote the Philip Larkin poem (“This Be the Verse”) this fuss reminds me of. National Catholic Register has never said why she was fired anyway.

          • Meredith

            You know that awful, scandalous poem? Away with you, a true Catholic knows nothing of such worldliness!

          • Meredith

            This whole subset of comments deserves its own EotT article.

          • Jo Flemings

            That has to do with public persona- and representation of an organization as a public figure. It’s a reality for opinion-shapers. They are not ‘free’ to say/write whatever they want if they are the face of an online publication- and not experience the repercussions of their actions. That is how this works- The Register has a public persona of sorts and its writers have an obligation to conform if they want to continue to draw a paycheck from that publication. If that is incongruent with their sense of self or ability to craft their work, then parting company is reasonable. The Register is not wrong in upholding the standard they perceive themselves to require- and Shea and Fisher probably decided mutually that they were not willing to conform to whatever that standard is to the degree requested of them in that particular situation. It’s not wrong for the Register to show them the door if they overstepped, anymore than it is or would be in any other industry.

            At the same time, as Catholics, maybe we should all think about our behavior in the public forum, about our conversation, and comments- and whether or not they conform to the standard articulated at length by St. Paul et al in the Sacred Scripture- we seem to have completely lost our bearings at times in our pursuit of authenticity and free speech. Very quickly we are all about defending license where it should rather be reined in by discretion and nobility.

            For example, frank combox comments on this site about specific sexual activities that actually have nothing to do with the post are out of order- that is a conversation for another time and place, if it must be public at all.

            Communication, while potentially instantaneous and accessible, should not be a free for all minus filters of decorum or decorousness. Countless adults seem to type whatever they are thinking with what seems like no impulse control- THAT is not godly, Christian, or charitable.

        • Biking in a skirt

          I suppose if you squint, the old Trump logo might look like “whitewashed tombs” or “filthy menstrual rags” instead, if she wanted to use a shockingly unclean insult that’s biblical! 😛

          • fab4mattmarklukejohn

            Watch out, we’ll have a whole column of replies that are ONLY quotes from scripture. Just to prove that scripture is not meant for, oh, whomever you want to exclude right now.

    • Master Samwise

      You mean like Carolyn McKinley calling Simcha a tramp?
      http://throwthebumsoutin2010.blogspot.com/2016/08/simcha-fishers-vulgarity-worsens-after.html

      Don’t try to distance yourself. It is your screen shots that Carolyn uses as evidence.

  • Al

    In other news Pat Archbold also fired from NCR for having an opinion yet Eye of the Tiber doesn’t report……why? It wasn’t the right “Type” of opinion so it was okay and unworthy of satirizing the decision makers.

    • Edison Frisbee

      Not to worry, Simcha knows how to navigate the welfare system….I’m sure she’ll do Shea a solid and get him hooked up too. Given Shea’s sunny disposition, I’m afraid that Wal-Mart greeter gig may not come through.

      • Dorothy

        These are human beings. These are faithful Roman Catholics with children. You are talking about a married mother of ten and a father. Simcha’s post about breaking down and applying for welfare–while both she and her husband were working–was deeply sad. Contempt for poverty is not Catholic.

        • Netmilsmom

          Perhaps it’s simply mind blowing to think that in a household of 12 people, a writing career can support a family. Dad might consider delivering pizzas. Working two or three jobs is not unknown. I did it.

          • Dorothy

            Obviously you have not read her posts about this time in their life. But good for you if you managed to work those three jobs while homeschooling your kids.

          • Jude Thaddeus

            I seem to recall her putting all of her older children into public school at one point. There are single parents who manage to homeschool, as well as families who use the public school system and then supplement the learning so they can work multiple jobs to support their families.

        • Edison Frisbee

          I don’t have contempt for those in poverty….I have contempt for ingrates:

          //Fisher tells her readers about buying steaks with her food stamps, and reminisces with her husband that they were “good steaks, too.” “I especially liked that gravy we made out of the blood of hard working Americans. That was delcious [sic].”///

          See more here: https://stream.org/pro-life-catholics-deserve-better-writers-national-catholic-register/

          • Dorothy

            I saw that. I read it out loud to my hard-working husband. He laughed. It was a JOKE, a good one. That she could go through that suffering–did you read her post about crying for a week before signing up for food stamps?–and make jokes about it later for her fans was both admirable and a good use of her talent. Sorry, I can’t fault working Catholic parents who have fallen on hard times for using welfare and then joking about it later. Simcha has real talent, so she won’t be missed: some other journal will hire her at once. I just hope it pays well.

          • Edison Frisbee

            Hilarious.
            Shea thinks she can earn a “million dollars” on the outside, so we’ll see.

          • CAG

            One would think such hardship might lead to humility … Sadly, the virtue was found to be lacking in her online work.

          • HornOrSilk

            And there it is; you hate converts and Vatican Council II. You know, it used to be “I hate converts and those who think the Church started with Nicea.” No one has ever said the Church started with VII, however, people do understand as an ecumenical council, it has authority and it gives authentic interpretation of the past which must be accepted. What happens is many people who say this think the Church died at VII and reject the Church itself.

          • Edison Frisbee

            Exactly…..I hate converts….like my wife. Got me there.

          • Collin Wahlund

            Ah, a straight lie about what was said. Converts who do this action was said, not all converts.

            I really shouldn’t expect accuracy from those who defend Shea and Fischer’s style.

          • HornOrSilk

            Do you know any convert who thinks the Church started at VII? Oh wait, that is fine – a true misrepresentation, while my point stands, the person demonstrates contempt for converts because they follow the Church (which includes VII).

          • Collin Wahlund

            What an amazingly incoherent way to lie again about what was actually said. Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

          • San

            When hiding under fake names, Mark Shae, don’t make it obvious. Your inability to use commas properly gives you away.

          • Meredith

            Sorry her joke flew over your head.

          • Edison Frisbee

            I think a “joke” like that betrays a mindset of entitlement….and definitely one of ingratitude.

          • Master Samwise

            Oh dear, she made a joke reminiscent of the abuse she received from friends and family for going on food stamps. How utterly terrible. Clearly she is an ingrate.

          • Edison Frisbee

            Oh dear, she’s crass and asinine and got fired for it.

      • Susan

        This is not a charitable assessment. Needing public assistance is not a bad thing, and we should always assume that those using it truly need it and are not abusing it. It shouldn’t be so stigmatized.

        • Edison Frisbee

          Again, go to this link: https://stream.org/pro-life-catholics-deserve-better-writers-national-catholic-register/
          I don’t have an issue with assistance for those who truly need it…..I do have an issue with Simcha being an ingrate and Shea’s slamming of pro-lifers and his imposition of a liberal agenda on Catholicism.

          • Dorothy

            I forgot to point out that Simcha and her husband paid into the system with their taxes before they fell on hard times and presumably are either paying into the system again or will when their income reaches a certain level. Therefore, I don’t see where gratitude comes into it. They paid in, they took out, they pay in again. The irony of the joke is that they ARE hard-working Americans.

          • Edison Frisbee

            Do you really think they paid in as much as they took out?
            You really can’t see where gratitude should come into play if someone else is paying your way?

          • Dorothy

            Well, not having access to their tax records, I can’t say. But if their parents and grandparents were Americans, they also paid into the system. Thus we would have at least three generations of a family all paying into a system, and then for a short period, part of that family benefiting from that system. That’s what the system is FOR.

            Meanwhile, apart from tax dollars, Simcha and her husband have also given the USA and the Catholic Church ten children, children who have watched their parents work hard, and children who are being brought up with American Christian values. And as Mark Steyn might point out, whoever dies leaving the most descendants wins.

            Finally, God only knows how many people have read Simcha’s writings–enjoying a good laugh or a good two-minute hate–without paying a red cent.

          • John Carter

            Do you really think you have a clue what they took out? Last I heard, welfare wasn’t exactly lucrative. Still, given the tenor of this conversation, she is well rid of self-righteous prigs like yourself.

          • ELW

            Thank you John did pointing out Frisbee Boy’s Self-righteous, priggish heart.

          • Meredith

            What a generous, big-hearted person you are! I bet you also believe that welfare recipients should be forced to sell the new car they bought before they lost their job, and buy a crappy old beater that will die on the way to a job interview… just so they look sufficiently miserable to you.

          • Edison Frisbee

            Wow….how long did it take you to come up with that scenario?

          • Master Samwise

            Has Stephen Herried paid into the system as much as HE gave out? Did you know that about him? Did you also know that when he attended TMC he attended as a student living off campus but was provided room and board anyway?

          • Jude Thaddeus

            You really seem to have an axe to grind concerning Stephen Herried.

          • Master Samwise

            Not really an ax to grind so much as a former colleague who wishes he would be more prudent. You would too if you knew him personally.

          • Master Samwise

            Your continued reference to an article crafted by Herried–the brother of Simcha’s younger sister’s husband by the way–that is entirely just the culmination of a family feud that began on Facebook two years ago after Stephen got into a fight with his relatives over public assistance–that he and his family used as well–just goes to show that you have no clear, rational argument.

        • HornOrSilk

          Don’t you understand, if you need help, you should hate life and hate yourself and never once be called to a feast. Wait. Jesus called the poor and needy to the feast. Hmm…

          • Edison Frisbee

            Are you going to break into “Lord of the Dance” next?

          • ELW

            Edison Frisbee what a loathsome human being you are.

          • Edison Frisbee

            I do what I can.

          • Craig Roberts

            You know, Edison, there is a rumor going around that ‘ELW’ is a pseudonym for Mark Shea. The comments always seem to have a particularly Shea-esque quality to them and they all seem to revolve around topics that are near and dear to Mr. Shea’s heart. (E.G. What a jerk you are.)

            What’s interesting is that ELW’s comment history includes claims like, “I am a Doctor”, “I have degree in historical theology”, and “I am a woman.” All of these comments were made to bolster her (?) ‘bona fides’ to win arguments and there is no other profile info to corroborate these claims.

            So my question to you is, do you think that the guy who famously argued that it would NOT be morally permissible to lie to Nazis about the whereabouts of Anne Frank, would be capable of making up such silly lies just to win an online argument?

            Could it be? I mean what kind of “loathsome human being” would do that?

          • Edison Frisbee

            Did the guy really argue that it’s OK to “dime out” someone to the Nazis? If so, he’s either an idiot or shamelessly promoting his columns with outrageous “click bait” (my understanding is they – Simcha too – got paid IAW the number of hits).

          • Craig Roberts

            No. I’ve got to edit that. He just wrote an article saying that if you lie it’s bad no matter what the circumstances. He admitted that under extreme circumstances (like hiding Jews from Nazis) he himself would lie. But argued that purposely lying for a ‘good cause’ could not be justified according to the CCC.

            If he is ELW he probably justified his lies (to himself) because they were done while debating about abortion.

            Regardless, his credibility as an commenter on all things moral would be shot if it got out. ELW even claimed to be a “(medical) ethicist.” Some ethics, eh?

          • Craig Roberts

            Don’t get me wrong. I don’t have any intention of trying to ‘expose’ Mark Shea as a lying phony. I’ve given him enough grief over the years. I just wondered if you personally thought he was capable of stooping that low, and then having the nerve to turn around and call you a “loathsome human being.”

          • Edison Frisbee

            He’s a hot head but probably not a liar….I have no first hand experience with him. My main objection to him is effort to impose a liberal agenda on Catholicism and his apparent dismissal of anything teachings pre-Vatican II – as if the Church started in the 1965.
            As the saying goes….”I’ve been called worse by better people!”

          • Collin Wahlund

            I don’t recall where Jesus said the poor should not have to do good work for benefits.

            In fact, I remember a part of the New Testament that declared that those who will not work will not eat.

          • Dorothy

            If you bothered to read Simcha’s posts, you would notice that she and her husband were both working at the time they got welfare. Not everybody who works makes enough to get by. Nobody who reads and writes on blogs lives in an agrarian economy or can live from foraging in the bushes.

          • HornOrSilk

            So, infants should not eat because they are not yet workers? The whole understanding of work in the NT is not the same as modern day capitalists think of work and so your misinterpretation of the verse serves a political agenda which runs contrary to the text itself. ” But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind…” Didn’t say anything about work. You are done.

          • Collin Wahlund

            A fallacious use of Reductio ad absurdum. Very impressive.

            Maybe you should take that up with St. Paul, as he wrote what I quoted.

      • Al

        That’s kind of unnecessary isn’t it?

        • John Carter

          Frisbee’s witness and others like it are why I’m Eastern Orthodox and not Catholic. I’m sure he and I can both give thanks for that.

          • Craig Roberts

            Congratulations. Oh wait…you already congratulated yourself so….never mind.

          • Al

            Say hi to rod dreher for me

          • Edison Frisbee

            You are quite the delicate little flower….I think truth – not “feels” – should dictate your choice of religion.

          • Master Samwise

            It should probably equally dictate the register’s choice of writers and thereby give Shea and Fisher back their jobs.

          • Edison Frisbee

            Nope, the truth is both Shea and Simcha are vulgar clowns…..they were justifiably let go.

      • Doran

        I’m really enjoying watching these “conservatives” tell us it was because of Shea and Fisher’s uncharity–and then go and exhibit extreme uncharity in their comments.

        • Edison Frisbee

          Great! Sounds like a “win / win” for all of us then!

          • Craig Roberts

            Bwa-Haaa!

            HEY! Don’t you know it’s cruel and sinful to be funny?! The only way to be really ‘charitable’ is to tsk tsk everybody else’s lack of charity. Anything clever is an assault on someone’s dignity.

        • Dorothy

          I’m a fire-breathing Latin Mass trad myself. Trads have a soft spot for homeschooling Catholic mothers of ten, especially when they are hard up.

          • Jude Thaddeus

            Yes, but the homeschooling trad moms I know (including myself) also understand that you don’t use vulgarities online.

        • BCSWowbagger

          As a conservative, I’m depressed by these comments.

        • ELW

          BINGO, Doran.
          Consider the filthy, white-washed source.

      • Dave Edwards

        What a hateful comment.

        • ELW

          Consider the sepulchral source, Dave.

    • Jim the Scott

      I believe both Archbold and Shea/Simcha brought it on themselves. They are just two sides of the same extremist coin who crossed the line.

      If anything Archbold’s firing shows Shea’s conspiracy theories on why he got dropped to be way off. I have talked to some Trads who privately told me they won’t vote for Trump.

      PS For the record I don’t know who Archbold is voting for…nor do I care.
      I am voting for Trump and that is my prudent choice. If you don’t like it.
      Too bad. I made up my mind(till I un-make it).

      • Al

        How reasonable and high road of you…a witness to us all. Two sides of same coin, definetly the safe public road to take.

        As for Trump, good on you…I’m definitely not voting for DNC and I see absolutely no problem with Trump…

        • Jim the Scott

          Thank you. Mind you I know a few Conservative and a few Traditionalist Catholics who won’t vote for either Trump or Lady MacBeth/Hilarity. I respect their choice since politics is a matter of prudent judgement but I can’t abide those who make it dogma.

          Only the Church can tell us formally what is dogma. We can give our reasons why Trump is the best choice (or lesser evil) but we cannot insist on it like we would the moral law on abortion or homosexuality etc…

          Shea never got that. I don’t care about his political views. I rather was put off by how he treated those who didn’t share them.

    • Master Samwise

      Pat Archbold openly attacked the Pope. You can’t call yourself Catholic while denying the sign of unity in the Church.

      • Al

        “Openly Attacked” explain…..I for one, don’t worship Popes, nor do I ignore their teachings, nor am I unaware of liberal heretics who have dismissed Pope’s in the past and have been allowed to remain and run things

        • Master Samwise

          The man toes too many lines. I am surprised @novusordowatch didn’t pick him up.

          • Al

            Master Samwise

            Ever investigated “Georgetown University”? Worrying about Pat Archbold compared to….let’s say the Catholic University system for example….you know a place that educates are children, whom we pay the tuitions for, AGAINST the faith….while calling themselves Catholic

          • Master Samwise

            What has that got to do with it? Why do I have to choose between the two? I can’t be equally concerned about two excesses? How does that make sense?

          • Al

            Because to claim Pat Archbold is “Excessive” and therefore damaging to the faith, is a red herring compared to the real damage going on…..I have seen liberals in the church pull this, “look over here trick,” ..time and time again…get focused on whose doing the real damage because that’s where the work needs to be done

          • Master Samwise

            So you are saying that encouraging dissent against the Pope and the college of bishops is a good thing so long as someone else is doing it in a different direction on the heterodox spectrum?

            I find it rather interesting you say that me criticizing Archbold is a red herring when we began this discussion talking about him and his articles. In the context of the discussion, Georgetown is the red herring because it has nothing to do with what Archbold did. We can discuss Georgetown; I think you and I can agree on several criticisms of it. But you can not say that we can not discuss Archbold because of Georgetown

          • Al

            Samwise

            In the real world…practical people address issues and problems that are actually terribly affecting things..they also make comparisons to understand situations …..if you think Pat Archbold is a “serious problem” you are clueless catholic, do busy with virtue signaling your purity than attacking root causes and problems…..in regards to Bishops and Clergy….Roman collars do not make people saints….in fact some of the most wicked people on the planet are wearing Roman collars….I respect the position….the “man” I do not have to respect unless he shows me his character….take your good catholic persona elsewhere…swallowing the liberal heretics hetero doxxing camel in your face…while straining on the part Archbold gnat…so typical of libs Catholics…. “look over here!!!”…then you cold cock the sucker….I will focus on the America magazines and the Georgetownsecond of the Catholic world…you can focus on the microcosmic world of the pat archbolds witchhunter

          • Master Samwise

            As I said before, why can I not be critical of both? You are setting up a false dichotomy and creating a straw man. I never said I supported ignoring the troubles of Georgetown. Nor did I say that Arhbold was some pernicious evil. I think you need to take a step back for a second and reconsider what has actually been said.

          • Al

            Samwise,

            Experience, I see this kind of reasoning all the time, ….its the “Let’s be fair” reasoning from “Reasonable Catholics”….except its “NOT” fair….if one looks at the scales….those that need scolding and are doing untold amounts of aggregate massive damage are examples like “Catholic Colleges”…not Pat Archbolds….not by a mile. I have experienced numerous neocons catholics and heterodox catholics bring up the sins of some orthodox or traditionalist person as if there is any equivalency….it is used, frankly, samwise as “Cover”.

            There is no equivalency…..Pat Archbold is, by all appearences a good man, Georgetown and many catholic institutions like it are hellspawn that put people in debt and educate people away from the one true faith.

            We are not going to agree on this…because I do not look at “Traditionalist or Orthodox Catholics”….as a terrible danger to the faith….I do see many catholic institutions, lots of clergy, seminary leadership etc as much more dangerous

  • Florentius

    Sigh. If only that were the case. The real problem was that they had opinions and had no respect for those who had differing opinions–and told them so using very colorful language. I was banned by Shea for having the temerity to disagree with him on some pretty trivial issues. I just look at this as NCR having banned him.

    • Craig Roberts

      We could start a club of all the people over the years that tried to talk Mark Shea down from his high horse and were called names and banned for our troubles.

      • Laura Lowder

        It would be a very large club. But I’m not gloating over this; it’s been painful to watch the disintegration.

        As for Simcha, she’s always been raunchy, and I can’t see how the Register could have failed to notice it, when they engaged her.

      • Master Samwise

        When talking someone down from a high horse, it is best not to be on a horse you deem higher. A short survey of the bloggers reacting to this news reveals that is it less two people injuring tons of people unjustly but an ongoing spat between sensitive people who are failing to disengage their emotions from internet wars. This includes Mark and Simcha.

        • Craig Roberts

          If Mark had taken the ubiquitous advice to be just a *pinch* less abrasive and a *tiny* bit more tolerant he would still have a job at The NCR.

          The people I’m referring to tried, with good will and charity, to steer him in a better direction.

          • Master Samwise

            ‘The people I’m referring to tried, with good will and charity, to steer him in a better direction.” I am sure SOME did. I am also sure that most did not.

          • Craig Roberts

            It doesn’t matter. “You should tone it down so you don’t get fired.” is good advice for anybody IN DANGER OF BEING FIRED no matter who it’s coming from.

          • Master Samwise

            But they had no idea they were going to get fired. As I have stated elsewhere, they were given no inkling that they were even on the chopping blocks.

          • Craig Roberts

            ????? Hundreds, perhaps thousands of readers over the years told Mark on a daily basis that his histrionics were unprofessional, unbecoming, and would be his undoing! For this they got insulted and blacklisted.

            And now he’s gone and the people that TRIED TO HELP HIM can only sit back and say, “We told you so!”

          • Master Samwise

            Can you refrain from the hyperbole please?

            If this is the kind of “help” that was offered, I can see why he became caustic.

          • Craig Roberts

            How is that hyperbole? Mark never “became” caustic, he just never took the advice to be less caustic.

          • Master Samwise

            You can’t really support your contention that hundreds, let alone thousands were negatively affected by Shea’s comments so I take it to be hyperbole rather than just baseless accusation. Arguably, it is the better to interpret it as an exaggerated claim not meant to be taken literally rather than an actual lie and so I do.

            Can you really support the contention that he NEVER took that advice? Can you really say that the advice, when given, was not done so in a caustic way? Saying, “Hey man, that’s not a very nice thing to say and perhaps you should think about it” is different from “YOU ARE DESTROYING THE CHURCH AND YOU SHOULD REPENT.” I have seen both comments on his blog and to be entirely objective, he responded better to the former and just dumped back vitriol in equal measure to the latter.

          • Craig Roberts

            “negatively affected by Shea’s comments”? What are you talking about? I can take an insult. It’s Mark who was “negatively affected” by his own comments.

          • Master Samwise

            Riiiiiiiight.

          • Craig Roberts

            If by “riiiiight” you mean, ‘ok, now I get it.’ Good Job.

            If by “riiiight you mean, ‘You can’t take an insult.’ Bring it.

            If by “riiiight” you mean, ‘I don’t know what else to say so I’ll just try to sound hip and sarcastic.’ Super burn.

            If by “riiiiiight” you mean, ‘I don’t believe you because Mark Shea’s comments would never hurt anybody, especially not himself. It’s YOUR evil comments that got him fired!!!’ Sorry to disappoint. But you can’t make evil comments on a site you have been banned from.

          • Master Samwise

            Mostly I had nothing charitable to say at the moment. Looking over your comment again, I have to say that if Mark’s insults didn’t affect you, then why did you bother to correct him? Basically, if you took no offense, how do you know there was an offense made?

          • Craig Roberts

            My advice to him was based on how I had seen him insulting other people. I remember one atheist in particular that Mark said, “You must be living in your mother’s basement.” He routinely said things like, “Maybe if you could read I wouldn’t have to explain it for the billionth time.” And, “Your inability to see the obvious is breathtaking.” Or just, “Good luck graduating High School!”

            I simply tried to point out to him that that sort of behavior wasn’t going to make him any new friends and that if you claim to be Christian you’re going to be held to a higher standard of discourse. When he turned his ire on me and started throwing insults my way I was a little surprised but mostly happy to return the favor with whatever zingers I could come up with.

            That’s when I got banned. It was something silly like, “Next weeks article: The Catholic Guide to Rolling Your Eyes.” He had just had enough of me questioning his authority.

          • Craig Roberts

            To be completely honest, now that I look back on it, I was a little hurt when Mark would insult me because I looked up to him and considered myself a fan of his work.

            You, on the other hand are just another anonymous commenter and so I would relish the opportunity to trade barbs.

            JK 🙂

          • Craig Roberts

            The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. If Mark Shea had heeded the advice that I and many others tried to give him, he would still have his job. Making excuses for him will not change that.

          • Master Samwise

            “If Mark had only listened when I said he was an idiotic heretic, then he would have his job.” Wasn’t that the argument over here? http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2016/08/ncr-purge-simcha-fisher-is-fired-from.html

          • Craig Roberts

            I’m not sure how that relates to me. I did not post anything over there.

            I was a fan of Mark’s work years ago. I tried to tell Mark as charitably as I could that he would be better served if he showed a little more Christian love and a little less self-important outrage. But he didn’t want to hear it. Then I talked to tons of other people that had the same experience.

            You can deny it all you want but you just end up sounding like a fanboy that’s in denial.

          • Master Samwise

            I really don’t have a dog in the race to be honest. I like some of his stuff and personally didn’t comment on anything until recently. The fact that people take internet comments so personally is frankly amazing.

          • Jude Thaddeus

            Surely someone at NCR must have mentioned to them that they were receiving complaints. Certainly enough people contacted the editors to let them know there was a problem.

          • Master Samwise

            Apparently not. The Register didn’t even issue an official statement. See here.
            http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2016/08/mark-shea-fired-from-ncr.html

            The poster “Tancred” relates that an email was sent to Deacon Jim Russell via Austin Ruse and Father Richard Heileman. From there it was leaked to blogs such as this. Father Heileman actually stated on his facebook that firing Shea was the answer to prayers. Clearly no one is blameless here but everyone seems to want to blame these two.

          • Jude Thaddeus

            I think Shea and Fisher are to be blamed for their actions. The fact that they needed to tone down their insults and conduct themselves as professionals was pointed out by too many people for it to go unnoticed. Here is the official statement that was sent out by the Register:

            NATIONAL CATHOLIC REGISTER OFFICIAL STATEMENT

            The Register is no longer publishing blogs or commentaries submitted by Mark Shea. Mark’s writings at the NCRegister.com or published in our print edition were within our editorial guidelines. However, his writings and engagement on other forums were irreconcilable with our editorial vision or standards of charitable discussion.

            It does seem that the story leaked out before they made it official, which happens all the time. Heck, I’ve known people who found out they were fired only because their office voice mail had already been cut off.

          • Master Samwise

            So you find nothing wrong with the notice being leaked to Shea’s detractors before he was even aware of it? That seems rather messed up if you ask me. No one deserves that and no one, no matter how caustic they were, deserves to have the kind of vitriolic responses given here and elsewhere to their being fired. It just undermines the whole victim narrative being spun about them being uncharitable when the “victims” act like grade school bullies. Understanding my own weakness and analyzing some of those comments and blog posts, I think I would get rather caustic too.

          • Jude Thaddeus

            It is not at all unusual in the business world for the person who notifies management of egregious behavior by an employee to find out of the firing of the offender first. I had this happen to me. I worked for a horrible bully of a man who was driving away good employees, even in one case challenging a subordinate to a fist fight on company property. The owner of the company contacted those who had said they were leaving, asked them to return to their positions on Monday, assured them that the offender would be gone, and then contacted the bully to let him know he was fired. Immediate damage control comes first.

          • Laramie Stewart

            Sounds like you have a dog, a cat, a parakeet and your pet turtle in the fight.

          • Craig Roberts

            Back in 2014 I sent the editors a complaint with examples of how Mr. Shea was regularly referring to pro-life Catholics as “idolaters”. They made excuses. “He’s just passionate. That’s not calumny.” To which I responded, “If calling a Catholic an ‘idolater’ is not calumny, what is?” No response. I then tried to escalate the issue but was routinely ignored so I cancelled my print subscription. I guess they figured I was just another “dinosaur”.

            If the NCR is suffering some sort of decline caused by these two, they are a little late in responding to it. Your examples of good business practices and ‘damage control’ come to mind.

      • Stephen Dalton

        There is such a club. Go to Facebook and look up Banished By Mark Shea. We have fun discussing our run ins with the Sultan of Snark.

        • Craig Roberts

          HAH! Do you know if there is any truth to the rumor that Mr. Shea makes comments on Disqus using pseudonyms, and lies about who he is?

          • Stephen Dalton

            I don’t know of any aliases Shea might use on Disqus, but come over to the Banished Facebook page. Perhaps one of our posters can answer that question for you.

          • Craig Roberts

            Thanks for the invite! I’m going to have to decline though. I’ve wasted too much time already giving Mark grief. In retrospect, getting banned was probably the best thing for me. Trying to reason with Mark turned out to be a waste of time. And trying to think of a clever enough insult to get him to blow his top was way too much fun for someone that claims to be a Catholic.

      • Thibaud313

        I was never banned by Mark Shea but I would have been if I had continued to read his blog any longer. I think I have the same sad experience as many people who commented : I once admired Mark Shea, I loved reading anything he published and I laughed at the way he ridiculed opinions I disagreed with with his trademark snark.

        But then Mark Shea started ridiculing opinions I actually held.

        In some cases, he actually changed my opinion on it and I came to see he was right and I was wrong. This happened anytime he actually knew what the hell he was talking about. For instance, on torture, I realised he was right to consider torture indefensible and I was wrong to think it justified in some cases. He gave good arguments and convinced me.

        However, Mark Shea also ridiculed opinions I held but on matters where he clearly had no clue what the hell he was talking about. This was most characteristically the case on matters involving anything other than the Church and/or America, especially matters concerning European politics and societies (I’m French). It was extremely infuriating reading his opinion pieces on European politics with his characteristic strong tone and snark while clearly having no begininning of knowledge on those issues (I don’t want to make a broad statement but no American person in history has ever had any understanding of things outside of the US, especially Europe, except maybe Henry Kissinger and two or three others. So stop talking about it).

        Those times (when he snarked on opinions I held while having no clue what he was talking about) he didn’t make me change my opinion. He just made me want to cut down on the Internet (probably not a bad idea though).

        I really hope he will be okay though.

        • Craig Roberts

          That’s so true. It’s kind of a shame. To be totally honest I found most of the other writers at NCR to boring to bother with. Mark could be very funny interesting and insightful when he stuck to what he was good at.

        • Heinz

          I had a similar, though much smaller, experience with the guy Hans Fiene from “Lutheran Satire”.
          The first few videos I saw where funny, though a bit rough and ridiculing about atheists, calvinists and all those other self-contradicting philosophies. So I watched more.
          Then came some snarky posts about the catholic church and I felt a small pang, but I can live with that. It’s to be expected that he does not get everything right.
          But only when I realised how stupid he sounds when ridiculing stuff I deem right did I make the connection that ridiculing others is too dangerous to be used as means of convincing. In the same way as he did not convince me with snark to become Lutheran, I’m sure he does not convince any atheist or calvinist either.

          Then I watched a video of the life guy himself, giving some kind of talk or sermon about using snark in apologetics.
          And that guy seriously tried to show from bible passages that Jesus basically did the same as him, ridiculing the pharisees and using snark in His responses.
          (In protestant circles “pharisee” stand for all that is wrong and is an insult. So when Jesus says “Oh you pharisees”, He’s insulting them to their face, you know?)

          It taught me not to find ridiculing others, even those of a IMO stupid opinion, any funny.

    • Isn’t that why this is satire?

      • dancingcrane

        The sad thing is that we are shading away from satire. The two were indeed fired, but not for opinions. Mark’s tendency to venomous language, even to those who agreed with him but not the venom, had become nothing short of legendary. There isn’t a parallel between him and St. Jerome. It wasn’t his temper, it was how he lost control in print. No one could counter or calm him; when they tried, he’d just escalate the nastiness. It became painful to watch, and I quit supporting or reading him.

        • Maderan

          You seem to be unaware of the rancorous (written) correspondence between St. Jerome and St. Augustine. Or Jerome’s other barbed exchanges…

          “You say,” writes Jerome to Riparius, “that Dormitianus has again opened his stinking mouth and emitted some foul putrescence against relics of the martyrs”

          He wrote contemptuously of older women who “load their heads with other people’s hair, enamel a lost youth upon the wrinkles of age, and affect a maidenly timidity in the midst of a troop of grand children.”

          When asked why a widow might choose not to remarry, Jerome wrote of marriage as being a “vexation” similar to the “vomit” of a dog. Why then, he said, would she want to marry again?

          Some of his insults of those he disagreed with: “bipedal donkeys,” “mad dog,” “dogs of Scylla,” “insects,” “pigs,” “scorpions,” “ominous bird,” “animal dumb, but poisonous,” “snake,” “viper,” etc.

          Jerome was a public figure in the church during his feud with Augustine, and his letters were widely read. His venomous tongue was not lacking in them, even against fellow saints.

          • Craig Roberts

            Yay! Rancor.

            But seriously, your knowledge of Catholic controversy is super impressive.

          • Maderan

            Thank you.

          • dancingcrane

            I’ll have to research this, but I may stand corrected as to the extent of St.Jerome’s venom. It would be interesting to see if he grew out of it in later writings, but does explain something curious that I learned about him early on, but didn’t really understand til now – that many Christians of the time appreciated his work and prodigious knowledge, but otherwise tried to avoid contact with him. There is hope, in that both he and Augustine were sainted.

    • Evan

      I disagreed with Shea several times over the years (one of those times was even about Trump and his campaign), and he never banned me, nor was he ever rude to me. So I find it hard to believe that Shea banned anyone who had the audacity to disagree with him. Granted, he could sometimes be rather short with people who accused him of destroying the Church, and especially short with people who attacked friends of his, but the claim he automatically banned anyone who disagreed with him runs completely counter to my experience with him.

      • Craig Roberts

        That’s because you just can’t think of any devastating insults. OR airtight arguments…that’s what I meant to say…Mark Shea would ban people that had airtight arguments.

        • Thaddeus_the_Flea

          I’ve been banned twice under different IDs

          • Craig Roberts

            Good job! You’ve been doubly decorated for taking that life-size garden gnome to the wood-shed. OR destroying his arguments with airtight logic…whichever!

        • Evan

          I got him to take a facebook post down when I proved it was false. Keep trying.

          • Craig Roberts

            Wooah. You’re kung-fu is…is……gatta go!

        • Jude Thaddeus

          I was banned.

          • Craig Roberts

            Was it for pointing out something obvious like, “Catholics equivocating abortion with ‘living wages’ is why nobody takes us seriously in politics.”

            Or something more along the lines of, “Holier-than-thou hyperbole Batman! Mark Shea has escaped from the Huffington Post! If that loony leftie isn’t stopped he’ll calumniate every Catholic to the right of Dorothy Day!”

          • Jude Thaddeus

            I honestly don’t know why. I’m a pretty tame person online. It’s not like I was in some heated discussion with him. I think it was probably regarding gun control, because I am for the second amendment and still consider myself pro-life.

          • Craig Roberts

            See that’s just wrong. I deserved to get banned. I figured, “You don’t really know if you succeeded until you get deleted!” But banning normal people just because they disagree with you is an act of cowardice. Of course Mr. Shea is not the only one guilty of blocking people just because they hold other opinions.

    • Master Samwise

      “I was banned by Shea for having the temerity to disagree with him on some pretty trivial issues.”

      I am not sure this is a fair criticism. On the one hand, he is blamed for engaging and turning to vitriol. I attribute this to his own temper and the obvious baiting of his critics–I am not saying you were such one–so I think it is rather unfair to ascribe all the blame to him. On the other hand, he is blamed for banning people who argue with him. I do this myself when I feel that the other person is not understanding my points or the conversation is getting out of hand. So he was damned no matter what he did.

  • David W

    Isn’t it a bit of a rash judgment to assume the NCReg *must* be 100% at fault here and assume they were fired unjustly over their opinions?

    • Meredith

      Gee, isn’t it mysterious that they were both fired shortly after someone wrote an article lambasting the NCR for employing them?

      • David W

        Isn’t it strange to see how someone responds to a comment about rash judgment by committing it?

  • Laramie Stewart

    This post is one of the gayest yet.

  • Netmilsmom

    I guess EOTT picked up Simcha.

    • Craig Roberts

      Wow. That’s some scary ‘mother’s intuition’.

  • CW Betts

    They were fired for dot submitting to the magisterial authority of the GOP

    • Craig Roberts

      Dorry about you duffed up nodes dude.

      • ad

        HAHA!

    • ad

      Not laughing at you CW. I have massive fat finger syndrome on the keypad!

      • CW Betts

        The struggle is real

  • LOL! This was indeed some good humour in the midst of all this unfortunate event. It is well. We are Catholics! We are one family! Let’s unite instead of our tribal divisions. Gloria Deo!

  • Deacon Raymond Moon Sr.

    EOTT, have you ever written and published something and then immediately thought, “I shouldn’t have done that”?…….. I didn’t think so. Keep up the good work.

  • Paul Procure

    “praise be there name”???

  • Adam Hovey

    I know sometimes Mr. Shea comments on this so I would like to see his opinion on the grammatical error in the post. Y’all not only is a satire but I’m pretty sure they both still work for National Catholic register. I’ve never had a problem with either of them even when I disagreed with them the problem with Mr. Shea is when people try to start getting nasty toward him I’ve seen him and arguments he’s not usually the one that initiates it. However I do know that if you have a disagreement with him and you talk like you’re a gentleman or a lady he will talk to you in the same tone. Even if it might just be typing.

  • cherry2

    Hmm…this sounds so much like Simcha wrote this. It can’t be Shea because that narcissist would’ve put one out five minutes before he was fired. I sense Simcha’s known discriminatory ageism here…Dinosaurs. She is the only Catholic I know that can dance in mud like a pig and still think she’s a beauty queen madonna.

    • HornOrSilk

      And here you have more example of this great charity which they apparently lacked..

    • Craig Roberts

      Whaa? How dare you suggest that Simcha Fisher would be so low, so self-serving, so utterly uncaring, so…so….stoopid!…that she would actually anonymously mock her former employers, loyal fans, and fellow Catholics! Why if she did something like that it would make me suspect that she has been using her religion to further her career, stroke her ego, and play us gullible old dinosaurs for suckers!

      Could it be???

    • Craig Roberts

      But wouldn’t that be awesome if her own article became the combox wake for her career as a Catholic commentator?

    • ELW

      You are a pious prick, Ms cherry2.

  • Honestly, I can’t imagine this would’ve happened if Mother were still alive and running things at EWTN/NCR.

    It’s been frightening to see over the past two decades or so, the growing
    tendency (in both Catholic and secular circles) to shun and ignore
    people when one disagrees with their arguments. As members of the
    Catholic Church, we should have no need to fear discussions of
    the Truth: Faith & Reason will lead us to the same conclusions.

    I think we all ought to be concerned with what seems to be an
    increased inability to handle genuine debate & differing
    opinions.

    This extreme polarization of the Two-Party political system has no place among the Catholic (that is,
    universal) Church, and any attempt to incorporate such a divide will
    only hurt us as Catholics.

    • James D. Adam Broxson

      EWTN is not very radical or Franciscan these days. By radical I don’t mean liberal..I mean ‘to the root of’. I mean Catholic. Here is something I know. I am a great sinner and hardly worthy of being called Catholic..but since I am what I know I am…an idiot…I have the audacity and the stupidity to will, desire, plan, set out, CHOOSE to become a saint.. Years ago I had a strange feeling…call it a revelation? I had a great, great desire to meet Mother Angelica before she died and be prayed over and counseled by her. I kept on believing it would happen and hoping ir would happen but it never did. I wanted to help her mission. I wanted to extend her legacy. I believed in her message…but I am seeing much of this message being changed before our very eyes..if nothing but by a sleight of hand in the Catholic popular media. When I never saw her and never met her I felt let down and I wondered if I was a victim of a delusion. This is an interesting thing that happened. When it came to the time that she died my heart dropped.I thought for sure my mind had got the best of me…but a ray of light hit my mind. I felt like the quiet whisper of the Spirit of God assured me she was in the Communion of the Saints now and that I did not miss out on the blessing. I felt in some way an impression not to worry about what ‘I’ thought was her legacy, I felt like that legacy existed but not in the way I originally thought. Jesus calls us to rebuild His church…the Franciscan mission continues.

    • Master Samwise

      It is essentially just a group of people critical of safe spaces desiring to have a safe space.

  • Llámame Jorge

    Yesterday they were at the National Catholic Register.

    But I need apparatchiki to push the Vatican sex ed program, and they strike just the right tone!

    Tomorrow they will be at the Vatican Press Office.

    Either that or soon, soon!

    • samton909

      The Vatican will announce tomorrow that Mark Shea has been hired to hurl curses at small children as they pass in the street. The above picture shows the Pontiff comforting a small child who just had an encounter with Mark Shea.

      • Craig Roberts

        She had it coming. She wanted to use aborted babies as human shields to excuse her pro-culture-of-death, NRA defending, torture loving, Trumperism, to send immigrant children to be murdered sex-slaves because…you know…”conservatism!”

        Shark Mea. Professional impersonator.

    • Craig Roberts

      Ok, Ok, Ok, Ok, Ok. You got PF down like a science. I’ve seen your posts on other sites and (after I realize that you’re not actually the pope) I always bust a gut loling. But here’s what I want to know. Can you do other impressions? Hmm? I can think of a couple of other prominent Catholics that recently lost their jobs for their…(how should we say it?)…”colorful style.” Well?

    • ad

      Youch, super creepy picture!

  • So Fisher and Shea finally found out that their actions have consequences. According to Shea, Fisher could make a million bucks elsewhere, so he and she should be super-excited about the additional future income for her. So she has 10 children. And? Does that somehow entitle her to have a blog at NCR and talk trash on Facebook?

    Leaving aside for the moment about who was right and who was wrong about saying this or that or the other, the ultimate point is that apparently the people who were for years contributing to Shea’s and Fisher’s pay checks no longer wanted to hear what they were saying. Right or wrong, that’s what happened here (at least acc. to Shea’s interpretation of the real reason he was fired). That Shea would now yell at the very people who paid his bills all this time, underscores the fact that he has a virtual gift for always focusing on the wrong part of an issue.

    People lose their jobs all the time. It happens. Maybe Fisher and Shea will now need to work a job where nobody cares what they think. Like millions of other people do. Welcome to life.

    • Charles M Wilson

      As far as I know, neither Shea nor Fisher were employees of EWTN or the Register, whose bloggers are not employees but independent contractors. They are paid just for what they write and do not receive employee benefits such as medical insurance or retirement. Thus, I think it is accurate to say that they will not suffer any drastic reduction in income. Some bloggers are willing to contribute just for the exposure.

    • Dave Edwards

      The last people who should have a say on this issue are schismatics. When you accept the legitimacy of Pope Francis, let us know.

      • Dave Edwards

        Additionally, your group’s FB posts on this issue are less than charitable.

      • Oh, you’ll be waiting for a long time. When you’re ready to become a Catholic, let *us* know please.

        • Master Samwise

          Sedevacantists? Are you guys still around?

          • Of course! Especially now with Francis at the helm of your sect. He is the best advertisement for our position we could have hoped for.

          • Master Samwise

            Martin Luther must be equally pleased to have so many Catholics finally vindicate him.

          • Master Samwise

            Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

          • Master Samwise

            Hang on, you guys hated Pope Benedict too, right?

          • Yes. (Ignoring your PC use of the term “hate”)

          • Master Samwise

            PC? How is that PC? Man you guys are a hoot.

          • I described it as “PC” because you’re using it in the way the pagan left has conditioned you to use it. Any undesired opposition to something — no matter how reasonable and well-founded — is labeled “hate”. It is convenient, dumb, and not worthy of a capable intellect, which I am sure you have.

          • Master Samwise

            Right. Pagan left. Of course. It couldn’t just be a frank of appraisal or anything, right? Of course not. I don’t have a devotion to clearly illogical propositions so of course I cannot attain such Gnostic power.

          • Look, I am not saying you did it consciously. This false use of the word “hate” is very prevalent in our society. All I meant to affirm was that we consider Benedict XVI no better than Francis (in some ways worse, in fact), although this has nothing to do with “hate”. We do not HATE anyone — in the proper sense of the term.

          • Craig Roberts

            You can’t argue with fanboys. If they say Justin Bieber’s the bomb then Justin Bieber’s the bomb.

  • maddoxhightower

    Mother Angelica had a temper, but she used it for things EWTN agrees with, like lambasting bishops she did not agree with.

  • Hammond

    Oh come on! Be real! EWTN and other Trumpians have been dying to shout “You’re Fired!” at people ever since the The Donald threw his reality into the ring! They got their chance.

  • Doran

    As someone who followed Mark Shea for years on Facebook, I never found him particularly uncharitable, no more than your average Facebook commentator, at any rate. Both he and Simcha Fischer adhere strictly to Catholic Social Teaching and the Magisterium (I challenge anyone to find a definite way that they do not). The truth is, there has been underway an effort for years to line up Catholics behind the Republican Party, however opposed to the Magisterium it may be on questions of economics, war, and the environment, and these firings were basically a purge of dissenters from the Party Line.

    • John Doman

      Did you ever publicly disagree with them?

      • Dave Edwards

        Did you ever say anything stupid?

      • Master Samwise

        I did and we had a nice discussion. If your comments at the Federalist are any indication of the sort of disagreement you had with him, I cannot really blame him for meeting your comments with derision.

        • John Doman

          Oh! You’re referring to the time where a woman accused me of raping my infant daughter, and I responded with F you.
          I regret this not at all. Sometime an F you is the appropriate response.

          • Master Samwise

            Is it inappropriate when you are responding to people saying you are destroying the Church and a liberal while writing for a Catholic news paper though?

          • John Doman

            Yes.
            Good thing I wasn’t doing that.

          • Master Samwise

            It must be lonely, so high on that hobby horse of yours.

    • Heinz

      Though I really don’t know much of the issue, as I rarely read Shea and didn’t even know about Fisher, I take up the challenge simply by reading these comments:
      They did not adhere strictly to CST and the Magisterium by being as charitable as “your average Facebook commentator”.

    • ELW

      Yes yes a thousand times yes, Doran.

  • HornOrSilk

    “He banned me from comments” does not justify “fire them.” Sorry folks, but all you indicate is the cries of a bully who gets big brother to fight the fights you failed to fight once your crass words were silenced.

    • John Doman

      He silenced my words by blocking me.

      • Dave Edwards

        Yet you still write…

      • ELW

        Oh for pity’s sake, Doman. Cry me a river.
        I know what it takes to get blocked by Shea …and I’m sure you were an insufferable lout.

        • Timothy J. Williams

          Mark, enough with the pseudonyms. We’re on to you.

          • Craig Roberts

            You really think so? The profile is only a year old but among other things the comments include, “I’m a doctor. But I’m also a medical ethicist with a degree in historical theology.” And, “I’m a woman.”

            Aside from that the style is remarkably similar to Shea’s. I must admit that I would be just a tad disappointed if we had to add ‘phony liar’ to his already long list of obvious faults.

          • Craig Roberts

            Can you imagine? The guy who’s written numerous articles on why it’s never ever ever ever permissible to tell a lie gets busted for claiming to be a doctor, medical ethicist, have a degree in theology, and be a woman online?

      • Thaddeus_the_Flea

        you don’t need to be an insufferable lout to be banned by Shea. I’m beginning to see what a large club it is.

        • Craig Roberts

          “You don’t need to be an insufferable lout to be banned by Shea.”

          …but it helps!

        • Master Samwise
          • Thaddeus_the_Flea

            Not having known Doman before now, I was unaware of his having dropped an f-bomb. In my case, however, I have never been guilty of that on Shea’s (or any other) blog. Shea banned me a few years ago for saying he only voted for perfect political candidates. Obviously, with his support of Hillary now, I was mistaken, It was hardly worth a banishment.

      • Master Samwise

        Well I am sure if you were dropping f-bombs like you do over at the Federalist, then Shea did the right thing.

        https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thefederalist23/keep_abortion_stigmatized/#comment-2836466107

        • John Doman

          I said screw you, not F you.
          And if you were the target of a f bomb from me, you deserved it.

          • Master Samwise

            You did not.

            John Doman • 19 days ago
            Fuck you, Alice.
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            So you can use F-Bombs if someone “deserves it?” How do you know that you didn’t deserve Shea’s abuse?

          • John Doman

            Because I know what I said to Shea. I’ve already described our conversation. If you don’t want to believe me, that’s your problem.

          • John Doman

            I said screw you to MARK SHEA. Stop being dumb.

          • Master Samwise

            Right because that is somehow not as bad?

          • John Doman

            Yes. It is not as bad. Exactly.

        • John Doman

          When I get a comment accusing me of raping my daughter, I respond with F you.

    • San

      You are the bully, Mark. Hiding under “Horn Or Silk” and abusing others is just sad.

      • Craig Roberts

        I think that’s just one of Mark’s fans. For all Mark’s faults I don’t think he could write something as bad as that post.

        “….to fight the fights you failed to fight…”? yech!

        • San

          You should read more of his posts then – they are fragmented, runon, commas in inappropriate areas, a lack of proper conjunctions, etc. His piece over at Patheos had over 40 errors pointed out by myself, all broken down to prove that Mark lacks a basic understanding of the English language. Mark deleted it, of course.

          • Craig Roberts

            Hmmm…you have a point. Now that I think about it, his only decent writing was probably heavily edited. His off the cuff stuff was usually a mess. I guess my memory is already playing tricks on me. Forty years from now I’ll be comparing him to G. K. What’sHisFace.

          • San

            Unfortunately, a lot of sites are unedited blogs. I can’t stand Patheos because they are in sore need of some kind of editorial control.

            http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2016/08/istandwithsimchafisher.html

            Some examples of what I pointed out:

            1. “Msgr. Charles Pope, has” That comma doesn’t belong there in any regard, and it is rather startling that he would accidentally put it there (to be generous and assume it had to be a mistake).

            2. “Catholic Church, a mother of *ten* children who has worked tirelessly as
            a witness to the greatness and goodness of our Holy Catholic Faith, a
            fine writer who could be making a million bucks somewhere but who is
            spending her prodigious gifts in the service of the gospel, has”

            There are two paranthetical asides in that sentence. There are no conjunctions joining the two. The rest of the sentence has many other dependent clauses tacked on via commas. It is a major runon mess.

            3. “I’m abrasive and I get” Two independent clauses joined by a conjunction really need a comma before the conjunction.

            etc.

            There are so many mistakes that I had to stop a few times in reading it to point them out because they hurt my eyes so very much.

          • Jude Thaddeus

            The copy editor in me just can’t handle reading more than a few Shea sentences.

          • Timothy J. Williams

            Ha ha! Now that’s funny.

          • Jude Thaddeus

            Don’t forget his peculiar use of asterisks.

  • Craig Roberts

    I used to have blast bursting Mark Shea’s bubble. All that hot air and holier-than-thou hyperbole made for some pretty spectacular explosions of indignation. Of course I would constantly be deleted and banned. Pompous blowhards have no sense of humor when it comes to their own self-righteousness. One little pin-prick of sarcasm with a dash of truth and BAM! Out come the insults of outrage. So little self-awareness. So much moral preening….

    OH GOD I MISS HIM ALREADY!!!

    (how do you make a crying emoji?)

    • Timothy J. Williams

      Yes, despite his enormous girth, Mr. Shea is a very small man.

      • Craig Roberts

        I’m sorry. Don’t you mean ‘was’? I’m still in mourning mode. After today I will never read or respond to anything the late great Mr. Shea ever writes again. And for that I am….*sniff*……*sob*….I am….forever……..grateful.

        (how do you make an evil smiling emoji?)

  • Craig Roberts

    Now I’m getting all nostalgic. I remember Simcha once writing an entire article about how she was so above insults from commenters. Basically that her superior superiority couldn’t be penetrated by the likes of us normal mortals. Man did we have fun roasting her for that! She basically invited everybody to give her their best shot. I still laugh about some of the responses she got. To her credit (unlike the imminently explode-able Mark Shea) she never took the bait personally. Just had me life-time banned from NCR is all…but I probably deserved it.

    You’ll be missed Simcha Fisher.

    (I still have no idea how her first name is pronounced.)

    • MamaK

      According to FB, SIM – KA (I’m assuming it’s a Jewish name, since her family were converts from Judaism).

      • Craig Roberts

        Doh! Now all of my fawning odes to her don’t rhyme any more.

        • Heinz

          You could just reuse all King of the Lion songs and replace the B with a K.

  • Collin Wahlund

    Roll out the hate wagon for EWTN/National Catholic Register! How dare they refuse to give money to authors who are against what they believe in?!? They should make a federal law requiring private publications to pay money to those who disagree with them!

    • Meredith

      Uh, they have the right to fire whomever they want. We also have the right to consider that a lame decision.

      • Collin Wahlund

        I’m sure you have the ability to have any damn fool opinion you want. However this GREAT decision preserves the integrity of the Register against the hideous garbage Shea has been writing about for some time.

        • Master Samwise

          Hmmm, someone critical of bad language from certain persons expressing opinions using bad language to be critical of someone’s opinion…..methinks you should remove your beam.

    • Jude Thaddeus

      And don’t forget that the Register must absolutely continue to employ writers who mock the readership.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    They were fired as they should have been because they were driving readers away from the NCR……….Mark would fit right in at the National Catholic Reporter.

    • bandgeek77

      They were driving readers away? Really? Check out NCR’s
      FB stats right now. Already down a bunch because of so many people unliking, unsubscribing and giving them 1 stars. So many 1 star reviews that they shut the review option off! Yes, yes…so many away. Even though Simcha was the best Catholic writer on staff.

      • Maggie Sullivan

        Sorry…but Simka made wrote publicly about blow jobs. That disqualifies her from writing for a decent Catholic publication. I’m sure their is a place for her at the National Catholic Reporter.

        • Meredith

          She made a joke on her FB page. Not in the Register.

          • Maggie Sullivan

            A perverted, disgusting and sick joke…..this is America and she is allowed to do that….the Register is also allowed to have standards and they believe a person who enjoys talking about that type of thing is not the kind or writer they want.

          • Dave Edwards

            I thought the BJ imagery came from the Trump campaign, not Fisher.

          • Master Samwise

            Really? Are you saying that because it is objectively true or because you need a safe space? Would you say that such a joked….triggered you? Would a trigger warning have been helpful?

          • HornOrSilk

            Maggie doesn’t even note the irony that she is talking about the same thing which she said should get people fired.

          • San

            Over at Mark Shae’s page, you were abusively lying about Thomas More and used obviously faulty translations to promote the lies. You are a sick individual.

          • samton909

            I better not year you complain about anything Trump says on Twitter. Because of course, that does not count in any way.

        • Master Samwise

          Is there something so horrible about blowjobs?

          • Maggie Sullivan

            Ask the Blessed Mother that question and you will see her Son respond to you…..nothing unclean will enter heaven.

          • Master Samwise

            The horror! Oral sex being discussed! You’d think it was somehow a fearful heresy from the way you talk.

            Shall we discuss this comment?

            “Think about it….america is going to elect a lying, corrupt, baby killing politician. We deserve what we get. Especially the young voter……I am getting to the point where I have no problem with the deficit, these young voters deserved to be crushed and destroyed by the deficit they are voting upon themselves. As for minority voters….they deserve everything the democratic party has done to them.”

            Does God suddenly delight in human suffering or are you willing to admit that these feelings you have are not in keeping with the command to love your neighbor as yourself? Are you now unclean?

      • samton909

        Ha Ha Ha Ha.

        “Look at their FB stats”. That’s all that matters in this world!!!

        Ha Ha Ha Ha.

        • bandgeek77

          Well no, clearly FB stats aren’t all that matter. Where did I say they did? However it does show that these decisions have caused readership to go down. Way to sound like a complete jerk. I am a cradle Catholic and I have never seen so many pearl-clutching Catholics in all my life.

          • Jude Thaddeus

            Meanwhile, there were many Catholics who had told National Catholic Register that they had cancelled subscriptions and stopped going to the website specifically because they were giving Shea and Fisher a forum in their paper. There are probably a lot more faithful Catholics who refuse to use Fakebook.

          • bandgeek77

            Yes, of course, that must be it!! Only fake Catholics use “Fakebook” and only the faithful ones refuse to do so. Glad you cleared that up for me. I will have to tell all my priest and nun friends, my friends who veil, the liturgy, youth, and music directors, organ players, etc., etc. that are on “Fakebook” that they are not authentic enough for the pearl clutchers. BRB!

          • Jude Thaddeus

            You do understand that Fakebook is a commonly used term, right? It stems from the practice of people presenting a whitewashed view of their lives. There was even a book written by Dave Cicirelli, “Fakebook: A True Story. Based on Actual Lies.” This is from the synopsis: “Clever, funny, and surprisingly candid, FAKEBOOK is a true memoir of our digital age. It explores what the old ideas of reputation and relationships mean in our new world of constant connection and ultimately asks: How do you draw the line between your virtual self and who you really are?”
            So relax. It would seem that you are the only one clutching.

        • Master Samwise

          Seeing as the majority of their traffic has come from their online presence rather than their print media, it is actually quite significant.

  • They are both nasty to anyone who disagrees with them. And the attacks on Church Militant TV and Pewsitter were over the top. Some of their opinions were strange, to say the least, like Shea saying Catholics can vote for the most pro-abortion politician in history (Well, I guess Hillary and Obama are the Bobbsey twins of death, so they share the dishonor.) and Fisher going after the statement that Maria Goretti died protecting her chastity. Shea and Fisher are among the most uncharitable people I’ve ever seen, so I knocked them off my list of Catholic bloggers worth reading long ago.

    I don’t rejoice in anyone’s ill fortune, but in this case The Register was acting like a good parent. Into the corner with these two tantrum-driven emotional two-year-olds!

    • Meredith

      Some of us are actually grateful that someone came out and said no, the Church doesn’t think the only good rape victim is a dead victim. Many Catholic girls were genuinely confused about this because of the way St. Maria’s story was presented. People have ditched the Church over it.

      But oh, that was so mean and nasty of Simcha.

      • HornOrSilk

        Plus, it is true; she is a saint for more than just dying a virgin. If that is all it took to be a saint, pagan women and Muslim women who die to stop being raped would be saints, too. Fisher did not deny it was a part of what made her holy, she only said it was not the only thing. And yes, charity is a part of holiness as Scripture indicates

        • Jude Thaddeus

          She was vulgar and tactless in how she handled the subject matter.

          • Master Samwise

            But does that justify other bloggers calling her a tramp or even get her fired?

          • Jude Thaddeus

            I don’t remember seeing her called a tramp. I think getting fired was inevitable when they began making fun of the readership of the Register. What company would retain an employee who posted negative comments about customers on Facebook?

          • Master Samwise
          • Jude Thaddeus

            That is the post to which I was referring. I think I already replied to this up above in the comments, where you mention the author by name.

          • Master Samwise

            There are further examples. I think if you know this one then you know of the others. The reactions don’t seem to be from pious victims who were bullied for kindly asking they change their ways but rather from equally if not more caustic people with axes of their own to grind.

    • Dave Edwards

      Shea was right in being critical of “real Catholic” TV.

    • Master Samwise

      To be fair, the attacks of ChurchMilitant and Pewsitter are themselves over the top.
      http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column/the-devil-is-in-the-details-for-the-militant-michael-voris-3274/

  • Craig Roberts

    Who’s up for little blast from the past? Straight from the comboxes of Mark Shea’s own NCR blog.

    Posted by Mark Shea on Tuesday, Jul 15, 2014 11:28 PM (EDT):
    …”However, the habit many Catholics have of arguing to ignore all other life issue out of a kind of idolatry of being anti-abortion is currently resulting in the appalling spectacle of “prolife” protesters screaming to send defenseless children back to rape, sex slavery and murder in Central America since they aren’t as important as unborn children and they might vote for Democrats when they grow up.”…

    Got that pro-lifers? This little ‘bon mot’ still graces the pages of NCR. I wonder what took them so long?

    • Meredith

      It doesn’t sound “unhinged” to me. Plenty of right wing and pro-life articles are written in just such an inflammatory tone. You simply disagree with the content, admit it.

      • Craig Roberts

        I’m not sure which “right-wing and pro-life” articles you are referring to but I suspect that the, “prolife protesters screaming to send defenseless children back to rape, sex slavery and murder in Central America” exist only in your mind. Admit it. Or produce some evidence.

      • Timothy J. Williams

        Produce ONE single pro-life article written in this tone. You can’t, because you are fabricating this.

        • chezami
          • Craig Roberts

            Hey there’s the guy everybody’s been talking about! I hope you can forgive me for all the stoopid insults I’ve hurled at you over the years. And forgive me if I don’t follow the rest of your career as a famous op-ed oracle for the Huff-Po.

            Oh and by the way…that article by John Zmirak is nowhere near as politically paranoid, factually fractured, half-baked, and hate filled as the stuff you come with on a regular basis.

            Just sayin’

          • Craig Roberts

            Oh and while we’re at it…there is a woman who is a Doctor and a medical ethicist with a degree in ‘historical theology’ (whatever that is) that goes by the handle ELW that has been impersonating you.

            Unbelievable! Imagine an ‘ethicist’ that thinks it’s ok to steal all of your trademark signature rants and post them as her own.

          • Timothy J. Williams

            That’s you example, Mark? Still reasoning dishonestly, I see.

          • Craig Roberts

            Mark seems to think that a thoughtfully reasoned well written article that explains coherently why we might want to think twice about rushing into blanket amnesty for illegals, is the same thing as a froth-mouthed screed about what animals pro-life defenders suddenly become when they are faced with any other ethical crisis than abortion.

          • Timothy J. Williams

            He’s learned the Democrat debate tactics: “Racist!” “Bigot!” “Homophobe!” “Islamophobe!” “Typical Latin Mass pro-lifer who would send all food-stamp recipients straight to Auschwitz!”

          • Master Samwise

            Not think twice. Explicly states that anyone supporting amnesty is as pro-life as Southerners advocating new slave states were abolitionists. From the article.

            “I do not wish to imply that those who know how amnestied illegals are almost certain to vote and who still favor amnesty are not, in cold fact, pro-life. I would never leave such a statement to mere implication. I wish to say it outright: Those who favor amnesty for illegal immigrants are not, in cold fact, pro-life. That goes for politicians and voters, bishops and priests, men, women, and children, red and yellow, black and white. Such people may be pro-life in theory, as thousands of antebellum Southerners claimed to be inward abolitionists. But those who lobbied for admitting new slave states to the Union knew that their actions spoke louder than words. No one who really believes that abortion is a life-and-death issue will allow any secondary considerations (economic “justice,” “diversity,” or misguided compassion for lawbreakers) to trump the legal murder of a million Americans each year. This amnesty — proposed by a president who, as a senator, fought almost singlehandedly to keep partial-birth abortion legal — will make such legalized murder permanent. End of story.”

          • Craig Roberts

            If you can’t see the difference between that well reasoned, informative, level headed argument and the straight up slander of “prolife protesters screaming to send defenseless children back to rape, sex slavery and murder in Central America since they aren’t as important as unborn children” than I’m afraid I can’t help you.

          • Master Samwise

            You didn’t seem to answer the objection but merely questioned my intelligence.

            @disqus_Ufe16sf4s2:disqus said, ” Plenty of right wing and pro-life articles are written in just such an inflammatory tone.”

            @chezami:disqus then gave one such article in which Zmirak plainly says that supporting amnesty is supporting abortion.

            The quote above accurately addresses the objection by giving a concrete example of the tone in question. Having taken classes with Zmirak, I can still read his material in his loud, brash style.

          • Master Samwise

            From the article:
            “I do not wish to imply that those who know how amnestied illegals are almost certain to vote and who still favor amnesty are not, in cold fact, pro-life. I would never leave such a statement to mere implication. I wish to say it outright: Those who favor amnesty for illegal immigrants are not, in cold fact, pro-life. That goes for politicians and voters, bishops and priests, men, women, and children, red and yellow, black and white. Such people may be pro-life in theory, as thousands of antebellum Southerners claimed to be inward abolitionists. But those who lobbied for admitting new slave states to the Union knew that their actions spoke louder than words. No one who really believes that abortion is a life-and-death issue will allow any secondary considerations (economic “justice,” “diversity,” or misguided compassion for lawbreakers) to trump the legal murder of a million Americans each year. This amnesty — proposed by a president who, as a senator, fought almost singlehandedly to keep partial-birth abortion legal — will make such legalized murder permanent. End of story.”

            Zmirak is explicitly states that to support amnesty will support abortion and support of amnesty is not pro-life but anti-life. I mean, it’s right there.

    • Master Samwise

      Have you trolled around Suscipe Domine boards in a while? The people Mark is talking about are there. Also, I have family who are of much the same mind i.e. think that women in poverty should be restricted in the number of children they have to the extent that they were an inch a away from suggesting state mandated tubal litigation.

      • Craig Roberts

        Amazing. I post Mark Shea’s own words and you tell me what I think about women, children, poverty, and government. Whatever condition that got Mark fired, I am sorry to report, you have it.

        No wonder you’re such a loyal fan-boy.

      • Craig Roberts

        Troll? Those are Mark’s own words. How is giving an example of his own words, trolling?

        • Master Samwise

          Poor choice in verbiage I will admit. Have you examined many of the aforementioned places and seen how professed pro lifers talk about other issues?

          • Craig Roberts

            Fair enough. I’m sure their are places like that (personally I have not seen them) but that doesn’t justify Mark tarring other people with the same brush.

          • Master Samwise

            See, but I think that this painting with a broad brush thing was largely due to Shea venting his wrath at a certain sub-group with a clearly caustic and vitriolic way and people part of a group that would otherwise agree with him thought it was about them. I think if Shea took more time to explain who he was talking about rather than vent some arguably justified frustration against a rather despicable group.

          • Craig Roberts

            That’s where your wrong. Shea would often accuse normal moderate people of belonging to some extremist sub-group. It was one of his most common ways to insult somebody.

            For example somebody would argue that the gun-control policies he was advocating would not work and he would call them an ‘idolater’ and ‘GOP toady’.

            One of his regular lines was “I don’t believe that Precious Feet pins take away the sins of the world.” Of course you don’t, who does? But that was his way of insulting some regular normal moderate reader who dared to suggest that abortion was more important than some other issues like waterboarding.

            To a believing Catholic, that is an extremely hurtful and cruel thing to say. You’re insulting their faith. The reason people read the NCR is because they want a Catholic perspective on things. Not to be insulted for their faith.

  • observant cat

    I suppose that sometimes being an uninformed Catholic isn’t all bad. I am happy to say that this whole thing passed swiftly over my head.

    • Heinz

      +1 on your appropriate nick 🙂

  • David W

    The irony of the combox is that supporters are accusing detractors of being uncharitable in speaking about uncharitable comments—and using pretty uncharitable in doing it.

    Mote and Log in an endless loop here.

  • Craig Roberts

    I’m going to miss Simcha saying things like, “Right now I’ve got three kids crying for mama, two kids in timeout for throwing one kid down the well, and four more kids sleeping in my lap, while I’m trying to unclog the toilet, get dinner on the table, and write this at the same time.”

    • Heinz

      Marvel should make a movie about this!

      • Craig Roberts

        Genius! An epic real-life super-hero! If you doubt me, just ask her.

    • Dave Edwards

      Sad.

  • John Doman

    I’ve been called a torture lover and a gun-loving death worshipper by Mark Shea on Facebook. When I responded with “screw you,” he blocked me.

    • Craig Roberts

      Been there, done that. I must be a horrible person. According to him.

    • Dave Edwards

      Cry me a river.

      • Thaddeus_the_Flea

        how many rivers do you need?

    • ELW

      Waaaaaah waaaash whaaaaaaaaahh !
      Go get your binky John, for pity’s sake.

  • Lady Bird

    I enjoyed Simcha Fischer’s writing. Pretty darn good stuff. Shea on the other hand was sarcastic and intolerant of any views different from both. I hope they both land on their feet. We always need Catholic voices, whether we like them or not. I really didn’t like Shea, but I do want him to find his peace and success.

    • Meredith

      Simcha will be fine; she has already been over at Aleteia for a while.

  • Running Sassages

    Good riddance

  • Judith77

    Even the title is wrong. Wow, have their laughs on us, keep up their vulgarity and the uncharitable talk as they continue to lose their audience. Stream just posted the nastiness that some of us were lucky enough to miss. It’s not their fault entirely, they obviously don’t know any better. We need pro life Justices to stop the holocaust that’s been going on since 1973 and their juvenile vitriol only serves to divide us further. I’ll probably not ever look into the Register. Why did it take so long to fire them? Why did this piece not have the author’s name? Most likely because the author is hiding behind this hit piece. I wonder if non Catholics would enter the Church after seeing these things? I could understand if they ran far away. I know I wouldn’t have considered it when I converted.

  • Jim the Scott

    If you stare too long into the Abyss. The Abyss stares back at you. He who fights monsters should beware lest he become a monster.

    We Catholics are the ultimate circular firing squad.

    • samton909

      I stared too long into the abyss and all I got was this stupid T Shirt.

    • Craig Roberts

      So true. Mark and Simcha made their livings for years blasting away at fellow Catholics that did not agree with them. And now the blasters have become the blasted…er…blastees?

      • Jim the Scott

        To be fair I would say they started by justly blasting reactionary Pharisees & lunatic fringe extremist so called “Catholics” who had little tolerance for mere sanity, till they themselves fell into the temptation to be just like them in the other direction.

        I mean Mark would justly take Geocentrists & holocaust deniers and other wackos to the wood shed but turn around and suggest anyone who came up with an essay that suggests not all inflictions of pain by authorities is intrinsically evil and he would attack the character of the person posting.

        T’was surreal.

        • Craig Roberts

          T’was t’wasnt it? Long before he started going off the rails about “Catholics that idolize the GOP” and “pro-lifers for death” he would spend most of his time engaging atheists, Protestants, and loons. The problem was even back then his temper would get the best of him at times and he would often resort to juvenile insults.

          At first I tried to reason with him that insulting atheists (or whoever) wasn’t helping convert anybody. Usually he would just either ignore me or tell me to get a life.

          But! Being no slouch in the juvenile insult department myself, I realized that if you really wanted to get Mark’s attention all you had to do is make a good joke about his moral pretenses. That’s when he would explode with righteous indignation and any question about his self-control would be answered by his own over the top retaliations to a ‘little joke’.

          So, to be really fair, I spent a fair share of time trying to goad him into losing his shizznit online. Usually when I got banned it was for something that was justifiably ban worthy. I’ve been banned by a lot of other (usually more ‘orthodox’ and/or ‘traditional’) Catholic sites for a lot less.

          So, to be really really fair, I should apologize. Mark, if you’re reading these comments, I’m sorry for calling you a pretentious muddle-headed gas-bag and a life-sized gnome with delusions of grandeur and …well…you get the picture. I hope you land on your feet and get that anger-enema you’ve always so desperately needed.

          Oh and I almost forgot (the proverbial cherry on passive aggressive awful Christian insult fest)…God bless!

          • Jim the Scott

            I know how you feel…..been there with him.

            Cheers bro.

  • Stu


    Sources inside EWTN also confirmed an interesting business strategy at play in this move. Amid declining readership overall for the National Catholic Register an interesting demographic was uncovered with respect to the number of people that Mark Shea has banned over the years. Circulation Manager for the Register, Roger Perkins, explained, “It turns out that the number of people banned or blocked by Mark Shea in all of his various online locations is more than double the current Register subscription base. We think there is tremendous opportunity to tap into this reader base and come out ahead of the game. Fisher was just part of the package deal but at the end of the day, it seemed like a good trade.”

    • Dave Edwards

      He banned me. Let Simcha’s family starve! That’s reason for you.

      • Jeffrey Stuart (Stu)

        Why do you hate satire?

    • Timothy J. Williams

      Really good satire contains a fair amount of truth. So your effort is much better than the original satire on which you are commenting. The fact is, Shea possibly has banned more people that those who read the Register.

  • Laura Lowder

    If St Jerome were known for his temper, I have never heard it said that he resorted to raunchiness to display it. Nor that he painted with broad strokes and tried to butcher people with whom he disagreed.

    Major fails on this “parody.”

  • ThankGodIamCatholic

    I really loved them both. AND I love EWTN’s media. These things happen. I wish them the very best and pray they soon get another venue more appropriate for good-willed snark (snark can be funny…).

    • Timothy J. Williams

      Unfortunately, their “snark” was never good-willed. They deliberately slandered and abused a great many people, and viciously mocked fellow Catholics.

  • JukeBox3613

    I have never been so saddened by the comments section. God, save us from our own self-righteousness. Amen.

  • steve5656546346

    By all outward appearances, Mark Shea came into the Catholic Church to recreate the divisions he found among Protestants.

    He has posted at least 3 long, apologies–seeming to be heart-felt confessions. But nothing changed…except that he got even worse…his attacks ever more vicious and false.

  • Michael Leggett

    Maybe EWTN will buy Churchmilitant.com & put Voris out of The Business.

  • Jo Flemings

    #landminemuch? Tibereyes, this one is not well done, Gentlemen.

  • Timothy J. Williams

    Fired because they had opinions? No. Fired because they viciously slandered everyone who disagreed with them, falsely attributed views to other that these others do not have, judged the motivations – and even the souls – of anyone who did not share their liberal politics, and misquoted and misrepresented anyone they disagreed with. Horrible uncharitable people.

    • Craig Roberts

      Typical. Typical response from just another torture loving, gun culture defending, so called “Catholic” that thinks Precious Feet pins take away the sins of the world. I’m sorry you never knew your daddy but that’s no excuse for worshipping at the feet of Donald Trump. You. Are. Sick.

      That’s my best Mark Shea impression. What do you think?

      • Timothy J. Williams

        Spot on! I was about to say you were Mark himself using a fake name. He really has an identifiable “style,” doesn’t he?

        • Craig Roberts

          He sure does. What would you call it? “Paranoid ideologue on crack.”? or maybe “Pompous blowhard, railing against the machine.” OH! I know, “Liberal Catholic Know-It-All, trying to channel G. K. Chesterton, after too many cups of Seattle’s Best Self-Righteous-Indignation!”

          *sigh*
          God bless you Mark Shea. What ever you lost by being a muddled headed angry blabber mouth, you more than made up for by being a hilarious hot-headed gas-bag.

      • Jude Thaddeus

        Wow. You have studied the Shea technique well. You are now qualified to write at Patheos. Don’t forget to occasionally rattle that tin cup as you demand that all tin cup rattlers with a keyboard deserve free health care and a living wage.

        • Craig Roberts

          Bwahh-haaa! Of course! How else could I justify voting for Hillary?

  • Michael Leggett

    Maybe Shea will work for Voris. Both would even ban Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke from the Comboxes.

  • Eladio

    They blocked (so did NCR) anyone who disagreed with them. No one else was allowed one. True hypocrites. No humility.

  • Jim

    The blogosphere is a pretty heated place these days. If you’re so inclined, please visit https://rockingthecradlecatholic.wordpress.com for what I hope you’ll find an interesting, pleasant, no-agita read.

    • VeilOfTiers

      Thanks Jim. A welcome respite. It’s now on my list of regular visits!

      • Jim

        Thanks, Veil, very much!