New Poll Shows 50% Of Catholics Disagree With Jesus’ Stance On Gay Marriage

October 21, 2012 by  
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Novi, MI––A new poll out today shows that about half of Catholics in America still disagree with the Second Person of the Trinity’s stance on gay marriage. The automated poll, commissioned by the USCCB, asked 10,000 Catholics whether they agreed with Jesus’ objection to gay marriage. Of those polled, half said they disagreed with Jesus’ stance because they believed an objection to someones’s freedom of choice was unchristian. When one man polled was asked to rectify the apparent disparity between his belief in the inerrancy of God’s word with his objection to the the inerrancy of God’s word in regards to homosexual unions, he asked, “What does inerrancy mean?” Another woman was asked whether she believed Jesus was unchristian in his stance on gay marriage; “Oh you mean Jesus, Jesus…like as in Jesus Christ,” she responded. “I thought you were talking about that nice Mexican man who sits in the back of church with his family. I was gonna say…he doesn’t seem like the judgmental type.”

  • JohnE

    I though this was supposed to be fake Church news.

  • Steve

    What exactly is Jesus’s stance on gay marriage, and in which book of the New Testament does he write it?

    • Athanasius

      To Steve: To correct you, Jesus did not write anything in the New Testament. You’ll find the answer to your question in Matthew 19 when the Lord speaks to the Pharisees on divorce. The Lord is clear on marriage being between a man and woman when He echoes the words of God the Father in Genesis 2.

      • Michael

        Unfortunately, Athanasius, that’s a pretty good example of eisegesis, reading meanings that are not present into a text. Jesus employed an economy of detail, answering only questions posed to him, and at that, not always answering in a satisfactory manner. Think of his conversation in John with Nicodemus. We can understand it competently because we have been inculturated in Christian theology of Baptism, but Nicodemus would have been quite perplexed. Jesus was answering a question on the morality of divorce. Jesus declared divorce immoral using the example the people of his time knew, heterosexual marriage. It is irresponsible to read into that a condemnation of marriage for gays and lesbians.

        • Daniel

          Athanasius contra munda!
          Michael, although Athanasius fails to fully explain his case, it is more irresponsible to take a single part of scripture without the whole. The Logos cannot contradict his own word. Although Matthew 19 does not defend explicitly from sodomy, as do Romans 1, Corinthians 6 and Timothy 1, it does uphold the natural definition of marriage as between a man and a woman. On sacred scripture, and the Catholic faith (see CCC 2357) there is no room for flexibility on this topic. Jesus’ statement in Matthew 19 “Some are incapable of marriage …” in reference to eunuchs, and natural defects necessitates that there be the possibility for complimentary physical union of the sexes for there to be a valid marriage. Matthew 19, when read with an understanding of what the bible states, and what a complimentary union is, most clearly states what marriage is. Any derivation thereof is gravely disordered.

  • Michael Barsness

    Hey Michael good name, and Daniel good work. Matthew 19 is our only clue to Jesus’ vision of marriage, but taken as a whole scripture supports natural law. God made them male and female, not male and male, or female and female… No go forth and multiplying going on there. The body is important, while having its sinful tendencies due to the fall is actually made good. The body is us and it is no accident that Jesus was the incarnate one who was celibate. His bride is the Church. If we are made for heaven then lets all be celibate. Just kidding. Everything has its purpose, nothing escapes God’s design even when material things are disordered, and sinful. God loves us and wants us to love him not our sexual fantasies.

  • M E Wood

    Beside the point.
    This post is making fun of Polls with slanted questions .which never reflect anything except the opinions of the poll takers.

  • Jim Robertson

    Jesus said nothing about gay marriage. Ever.

    • Andy Unce

      Jesus defines marriage as a man and a woman in Matthew 19:4-5. Yes, it’s true that Jesus loved St. John, he also loved and continues to love all of his disciples everywhere. Just because you love someone doesn’t mean you have to marry them.

      • Jim Robertson

        Bull! Jesus could care less who marries who and what gender they marry. Marriage is a civil contract.

        • Nightwatch

          Brilliant riposte, Jim. What is His stance on sodomy?

          • Jim Robertson

            Jesus never mentioned gay people period. According to Leviticus “a man should not lie with a man as he does with a woman’ so to Jesus standing up to have sex with John his “beloved” might have been kosher. :^) If Jesus didn’t mention homosexuality why should you?

        • Stefano Colombo

          Dude, either you are channelling JC himself or you’ve never taken a peek at the New Testament. Which of the two?

        • http://americanberean.blogspot.com Daniel Hunt

          No, Jim, Marriage is not a civil contract. It is a covenant. A covenant is to a contract as marriage is to prostitution. One is an exchange of goods/services, the other is an exchange of selves/persons. Guess which is which. God defines covenants. He defined His covenant with mankind as both His fatherhood of us (individually) and as His betrothal (marriage) to us (collectively). And He defined the marriage covenant as one man and one woman for life. And so, civil law cannot redefine marriage as something else. Call it a civil union and even give them the same civil/economic benefits if you will, but a gay union can never be a marriage.

          • Jim Robertson

            No, you are wrong. We do not live in a religious state. We live in a church is a church and not the rule makers for everyone state.
            You want to play your brand of magic marriage? I’ll play mine; and we are in the eyes of the state, more and more equal.
            You want marriage to be magic? Swell. Who doesn’t? as religious people know magic sells. But I can make my own brand of magic that ignores yours completely. You think your magic is better than mine? I don’t agree.

          • Stefano Colombo

            Lax on the meds lately?

          • Jim Robertson

            No I’m completely up to date on my meds, Dr Quakenbush.
            Thanks for asking though.

          • Patrick Butler

            Why are you reading this article?

          • Jim Robertson

            Why not? I’m gay. I was sexually abused by your clerics and Jesus never said word one about gay people marrying who they love.
            I’m also here because I just love to watch you guys eat it. (As we used to say in my 12 years of Catholic school.)
            Consider me a veteran of the catholic war against it’s own children.

          • Patrick Butler

            Jim, I’m sorry you were abused. No one deserves to go through that, and no one has a right to commit such an awful crime. The Church condemns sexual abuse. Any member of The Church who condones it or commits it is wrong.

            I am not telling you to do anything, but I am letting you know that you have a option. You can be better than those who have wronged you, and not stoop down to their level. You have a great opportunity. You can love your enemy and forgive them. You can choose to let go of anger and hatred. Not even just for their sake, but for your own. If you wan’t peace in your life you can have it. God loves you. It’s so dumb sounding. It seems old fashioned and stupid. It’s hard for me to believe even. “I, Patrick, am such a wretch. I do things selfishly all the time. How could God possibly love someone like me?” He does. He really does.

            I have not had the experience you have, but I have had some other bulls**t happen in my life. The only way I have gotten through is through faith in Him. Sounds lame, seems really stupid. But it’s my experience.

            I’ll pray for you. (no I am not trying to insult or be sarcastic.) I truly wish you the best.

          • Jim Robertson

            Thank you for the kindness intended in your post.
            I have no need of superstition. I’m angry at times and that’s a good thing but sometimes bad. It’s not about loving my enemy or forgiving my enemy. I feel sorry for them but no one’s been held responsible for the crimes committed against us . Not one Cardinal fired. Your corporate church has gotten off scott free. You don’t even attempt to compensate the vast majority of your victims. This is unforgivable. In order to forgive a person or institution they must be sorry and ameliorate the damage they’ve caused. Your church doesn’t do that at any over all level.
            So in return Mr. Butler, I wish that you do the best for victims. Then and only then will I believe that you at least get what’s really happened with your church.
            All the best to you, personally, Mr. Butler.

          • imabitterclinger2

            I’m sorry, and maybe others here will call me unchristian, but I don’t believe you. You are a gay, atheist, con looking for a payday from an institution that speaks out against what you stand for. This is no better than me filing wrongful death lawsuits against Planned Parenthood (hey, good idea). To call the Catholic Church “corporate” is an insult. The church produces no pay for goods or services. Faith is not sold. The money the Vatican uses in its budget is from investments by the laity, such as myself. When reported “abuse victims” immediately hit the compensation button, that throws up all kinds of red flags, especially when the individual claims no belief system. You came here to rant at Catholics, and now expect us to have a pity party for you over alleged abuse.

            Even if you were abused, the whole entirety of Catholic Christianity must be bad to the point that you come to Catholic websites and insult people’s beliefs? Due to abuse by a single Priest? Is that the real rational thinking of a secular humanist?

            I pity you.You wallow on the end of chains of many demons. Repent and embrace the Good News! Put on Christ, and stop this foolishness.

          • Jim Robertson

            Wow! Unchristian doesn’t even cover your crap.
            Faith may not be sold but everything else in your corporate (It isn’t made of clouds, you know) church is. Try and get a wedding/ baptism/ funeral or masses for the soul of a dead loved one for free.
            I sir, have been compensated for my rape; where as the vast majority of your victims have not. I demand compensation for victims because you do not. I don’t give a damn if you believe that I was raped or not.
            Pope Frank can say he’s sorry till the cattle come back. But if you do not compensate your harmed; It’s just a pr spin, for the benefit of the church. Not it’s victims.
            I could care less about receiving the pity of monsters who think their own raped children are liars. Monsters who believe in fantasy with literally no proof ; and at the same time deny the proof of their own children’s rapes .
            “Insulting your beliefs” awwwww! You and your beliefs will live; don’t fret. Ignorance goes on and on and on.
            How about the tens of millions of dollars your church gets in public services tax free? How about your church taking those tax free dollars and supporting anti equal marriage rights for the very people who do make up with our tax dollars what you don’t pay?
            I insult you because you insult me with your prejudices and financial backing against my civil rights. All done with my tax dollar.
            You think gays are sinners; or are damaged, or less than. Fine. You are free to; but don’t do it on my dollar. Those days are over.
            Any one who believes in demons are already firmly in their grip. (a paraphrase of Goethe).
            If I wallow in anything it truth.

          • Guest

            Here’s the thing. You can get the state to recognize you all day but you will NEVER have the sacramental union of Matrimony instituted by Jesus Christ, performed throughout the centuries and blessed by God. Never. No amount of pride whoppers and PC shaming will afford you that.

          • Jim Robertson

            I don’t care about the “sacrament of marriage” I happily don’t believe in it or god or hell or heaven. How’s that grab you? I am free from superstition.
            Now it’s your turn to again explain why what you have absolutely no proof for is not only true but THE Truth.
            Imaginary friends (or deities) are for 4 year olds.

  • nannon31

    The last three Popes did a flamenco dance on Romans 13:4 as to the death penalty since 1995…19 years. It is no great wonder then that the laity is doing a like dance atop Romans 1:26-27. When you give a dance, you finally have to pay the band.

  • Stefano Colombo

    You are right that it is not a condemnation: nobody could condemn something they don’t even know.
    A marriage between two men or two women, was simply unheard of. That is why there was no need to condemn anything. You are trying to force a (very) modern identity conundrum into a culture that did not have either the categories, or the words and thoughts to define such a problem. Reading you is like when you catch a Roman soldier in a movie wearing a watch…

    • holymass

      Bro…uh…Sodom and Gomorrah?

      • Stefano Colombo

        Hummm. Let’s see. Were there homosexual getting married in Sodom and Gomorrah? You must have a Very Revised and Updated Bible that you rely on for this…
        My point was definitely not in favor of gay “marriage”. Michael in his commentary uses the argumentum ex silentio, which is a logical fallacy. No one speaks about something they cannot see and that is not contemplated in their culture (i.e. gay “marriage”). In the same line of reasoning: no one ever asked Jesus about homosexuality’s sinfulness, because of Sodom and Gomorrah and the overt condemnation of homosexual acts in the O.T.
        That moral judgment remained steady in our culture until the 70′s, and still remains in many other cultures.
        It’s our cultural shift that makes us try to find explicit answers in the Bible to problems that did not exist back then. What the Church has done is to distill general principles of morality from Jesus and Bible teachings to confront new moral problems.
        That is what we are trying to do right now with beginning-of-life issues such as artificial reproduction, genetic engineering, cloning… All stuff that you cannot find in the Bible but needs to be understood in its deep human implications. Hope I clarified my point a bit.

        • Erika Allen

          1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9 Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: Neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers: 10 Nor the effeminate nor liers with mankind nor thieves nor covetous nor drunkards nor railers nor extortioners shall possess the kingdom of God. 11 And such some of you were. But you are washed: but you are sanctified: but you are justified: in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God.

          Do not err. Stop bending yourself over backwards to justify this!

  • robert chacon

    You cant write better satire than some of the comments here! Those of you anti , or non Christians who come here trying to tell us what Christ really meant are hilarious! Take that act on the road!

  • Guest

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11

  • Erika Allen

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 This one is another one I find pretty darn clear

  • Anna Baker

    Because these people are not informed. They don’t understand that this is the choice they we are not free to choose. IF GOD said He only made MAN and WOMAN and nothing else, you have to believe that, because He is THE CREATOR. Why should He lie? Stupid people lie… to support their personal agenda. For fear that they will lose a friend who is confused. Jesus said CONFUSION COMES FROM SATAN!. So for those people who still think that being the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th Kind are practicing their FREE WILL think again, God did not make you like that, that you had to leave your family God give you to be gay… the devil is, do you know you could get cured, try to be obedient to God and ask Him to heal you, and make you understand. Ask Him how you could serve Him regardless of what you are going through…. because I over come this evil. Ask me how I did it and I will tell you, fasting and prayer. God is not dead!!!!! He still makes miracle everyday!